Xaquin44
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ahaha
you are 100% wrong.
but hey, whatever. You feel free to go along spouting lies like it's truth.
I'm sure no one cares.
(well, maybe god .... is he ok with that?)
Will they go to heaven?
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ahaha
you are 100% wrong.
but hey, whatever. You feel free to go along spouting lies like it's truth.
I'm sure no one cares.
(well, maybe god .... is he ok with that?)
camily
Peace
Really? What turned you against belief?
This_person
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This is the second time in a few days you've reminded us you're a Christian. As a Christian, do you think they'll go to Heaven? Why/why not?
camily
Peace
He's not a Christian. He is just saying he reached out before but for some reason turned away.
Xaquin44
New Member
oh no one single event .... just many many many many little ones.
you wouldn't probably guess it, but I'm baptised, confirmed, was an acolyte for 7 years in two churches (at the same time). When people tell me to read the bible, I chuckle inwardly, because I've both read it, and made sunday school course outlines using it.
anyways, I prattle on.
I just take affront when people say I don't know what I'm talking about when I talk about scripture and religion in general.
edit: I guess I didn't give any examples. mostly things to do with things in the bible and attitudes presented by the church. I.E. the free will debate. Things like cancer (which had (if you take the bible to point) to be created), (why would a good god make cancer?), etc. etc.
also attitudes presented by the church. The fact that one family can dominate a vestry and by church bylaws elect priests that 75% of the congregation does not approve of. The fact that there are soooo many differnt denominations fully ready to think that god would damn the others to eternity in hell simply because they worship slightly differently then they do.
and etc.
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camily
Peace
Could it be your faith that faltered and not God? I don't mean that accusingly, just a question. You know the circumstances, not I.
Xaquin44
New Member
oh, undoubtedly it could.
I see the ball as being in his court. I did what I was supposed to without hasitation or question for a long while. Then things going on within in the church soured me on the whole deal. Which in turn made me question a bunch of things taken previously at face value.
Don't get me wrong. I won't say 'there is no god' because I don't know. If he did put us all here I'm thankful. However, I've said my thanks and see no reason to repeat it. In fact, when the day comes, I just hope I get a little Q and A time so I can figure out just what's going on.
This_person
Well-Known Member
Another time of confusing "the church" with religion, Xa.
Presuming a Q and A, like the entity that created you owes you something in way of an answer, is a big arrogant, isn't it?
camily
Peace
Remember, man created church, not God.
We should always be thankful. Even for those things we see no reason to be thankful for.
God has a plan for everything. My little niece dying two weeks ago. I don't understand it, but I'm not supposed to. I have to trust God has a plan, and be thankful for it.
Xaquin44
New Member
tMan creating the church: It shows hehe
tThankful: I've said thanks and I meant it. Saying the same tired words that millions have said before me doesn't hold any meaning to me, and at this point I can't imagine it holds any meaning to god either. It's a nice gesture, but it isn't from the heart. It can be said with heart, but it's still just words on a page that someone else wrote.
tGods plan: Any plan that involves sooo much suffering from an entity touted as being full of infinite mercy should be held as highly suspect. Having a plan and having a good plan are two different things in my opinion.
camily
Peace
Would you not like to hear your children say thank you more than once or twice if they really mean it and are thankful for you and what you have done for them? Would you get tired of hearing it?
Xaquin44
New Member
If it were for the same thing, I'd tell them that while I appreciate the thanks, I was happy to do it and you don't need to say thank you anymore.
camily
Peace
What if it were for a different thing each time? Or occasionally the same thing. If they felt it in their heart and wanted to thank you I'm sure you would accept and appreciate the thanks.
Xaquin44
New Member
sure, that's be fine.
If you're alluding to thanking god for many different things, as near as I can tell, he gave us free will (well that is debatable) so anything good or bad that happens to us from birth is on us and not him.
Creation is what I said thanks for. I won't thank anyone for 'dying for my sins' as I wasn't born yet, and I refuse to think that babies are born sinful as some churches would have me believe.
camily
Peace
Oh, ok. Then any arguement on my part is moot.
camily
Peace
He doesn't say you have to thank him. Just believe in him.
Xaquin44
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bcp
In My Opinion
bet you werent born yet when radio was invented either, however I also bet you benefit from that invention today.
some things that are done can affect people for as far in the future as you see.
