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He said "in the last 10 years". Oklahoma City was in 1995...over 10 years ago. :shrug:CAPPY2609 said:oklahoma city, but thanks for playing......
He said "in the last 10 years". Oklahoma City was in 1995...over 10 years ago. :shrug:CAPPY2609 said:oklahoma city, but thanks for playing......
forestal said:Not really. Knitting needles are a dangerous weapon.
The Arabic Language isn't. It just goes to show how stupid the American Public is.
Kerad said:
That's not the point.
The point is...I guess...that since 9/11, being suspicious of every Muslim on a plane is "natural".
I understand...and I don't argue that.
However....after the Oklahoma City bombing...
Why isn't it just as "natural" to be suspicious of Rednecks in a Ryder truck? Or Rednecks near a federal building?
There are a hell of a lot more Rednecks in America then Muslims.
What should we do about them?
You do realize that a small group of men matching the description of the gentlemen removed from the plane carried out an attack on American civilians that killed more people than the attack on Pearl Harbor.CAPPY2609 said:Honestly, despite the terror attacks on US soil.... is the fear justified? :
This is yellow peril, and red menace hysteria all over again. Are we supposed to just incarcerate people who just "might" happen to somehow be bad guys? Ask the japanese decended AMERICAN CITIZENS who were herded into camps because of the same ignorant fear. This kind of hallucinatory "fear" is just what the terrorist AND the government want you to experience. Its easier to get you to go along with unpopular plans if you somehow think bad guys are behind every tree and airplane seat.
CAPPY2609 said:Honestly, despite the terror attacks on US soil.... is the fear justified? Statistically the odds of being killed in a terror attack are lower than winning the lottery. We're all more likely to be killed by a firearm held by one of our own countrymen, or a drunk driver, but we let our buddies do it or do it ourselves, or obesity induced diabetes and/or heart problems.
This is yellow peril, and red menace hysteria all over again. Are we supposed to just incarcerate people who just "might" happen to somehow be bad guys? Ask the japanese decended AMERICAN CITIZENS who were herded into camps because of the same ignorant fear. This kind of hallucinatory "fear" is just what the terrorist AND the government want you to experience. Its easier to get you to go along with unpopular plans if you somehow think bad guys are behind every tree and airplane seat.
forestal said:Yeh, well it wasn't you pulled off the airplane because passengers were irrationally afraid of your language and skin color.
It's no big deal because it wasn't YOU taken away.
PsyOps said:There was nothing hallucinatory about those 19 that WERE ignored,
Kerad said:However....after the Oklahoma City bombing...
Why isn't it just as "natural" to be suspicious of Rednecks in a Ryder truck? Or Rednecks near a federal building?
There are a hell of a lot more Rednecks in America then Muslims.
What should we do about them?
forestal said:Land of the paranoid
[font=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Iraqi-Americans removed from flight for speaking Arabic
[/font]NBC News reported Thursday on an incident at the San Diego airport in which "an American airlines flight to Chicago was delayed because a passenger was scared of several Arabic-speaking men on board."
"Those men she heard talking? They were Iraqi-Americans, in town to train US Marines at Camp Pendleton," explained NBC's Brian Williams. The men were removed from the plane and questioned briefly before being released. The flight was canceled and all passengers caught other flights the next day.
What I don't understand is how libs can demand that Bush keep us safe, yet they don't want reasonable precautions because they're "racist" or discriminatory.MMDad said:3. Live with the current imperfect system that doesn't really work and offends liberals.
Mikeinsmd said:And to think I included you in those lefties who could hold their own in here..... I won't make that blunder again. Thanks for proving what an idiot you are.
Larry Gude said:...ignored, at all. The flight schools had reported them. The FBI was looking into them. The CIA and military intel were on them.
Now, the CIA and miltary intel are forbidden to operate on US soil. So, they passed on what they had to the FBI.
The FBI was investigating these guys. The FBI saw reason for more investigation. The FBI asked for surveillance and wanted to go ahck their computers. The FBI's lawyers said 'no'; you can not use intel gathered by the CIA/,mil intel. It is not legal. The FBI sought a ruling from Justice.
Justice, in the person of Janet Reno assistant or deputy AG or whatever, Jamie Gorelick, wrote a memo reaffirming the legal 'wall' between the left hand, the CIA, and the right hand, the FBI.
The FBI was out of business on Atta and the others. They were not ignored. They were not missed. They weren't sneaking around undetected.
Quite a few people in the FBI, CIA and other places watched 9/11 unfold with a certain grim, ill feeling frustration of "I told you so".
Gorelick went on to serve, insanely, on the 9/11 commission.
In short, we do not need to be living with all the fear mongering that goes on these days. We just need to let people do their jobs and remove unreasonable roadblocks in their path. The Patriot act did much of this.
Larry Gude said:We do not need to be living with all the fear mongering that goes on these days. We just need to let people do their jobs and remove unreasonable roadblocks in their path. The Patriot act did much of this.
PsyOps said:... aka ignored. I don't think I need to raise the issue of Able Danger. An attempt to warn the Clinton admin about Atta and gang was ignored. In fact, so much so, that it was passed on to Bush in a memo. Memo ignored!
When we experienced attack after attack during the 90s, culminate this with the Able Danger warning.......... they were ignored.
Where do you get your statistics bozo?CAPPY2609 said:Honestly, despite the terror attacks on US soil.... is the fear justified? Statistically the odds of being killed in a terror attack are lower than winning the lottery. We're all more likely to be killed by a firearm held by one of our own countrymen, or a drunk driver, but we let our buddies do it or do it ourselves, or obesity induced diabetes and/or heart problems.
This is yellow peril, and red menace hysteria all over again. Are we supposed to just incarcerate people who just "might" happen to somehow be bad guys? Ask the japanese decended AMERICAN CITIZENS who were herded into camps because of the same ignorant fear. This kind of hallucinatory "fear" is just what the terrorist AND the government want you to experience. Its easier to get you to go along with unpopular plans if you somehow think bad guys are behind every tree and airplane seat.
aps45819 said:You do realize that a small group of men matching the description of the gentlemen removed from the plane carried out an attack on American civilians that killed more people than the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Mikeinsmd said:Where do you get your statistics bozo?
Go back out to the barn and finish your tryst with the sheep.
Larry Gude said:A difference with a distinction.
When we ignore a problem like a leaky roof we don't do anything about it and don't even know how extensive the problem is. A hole? Stopped up gutters?
Atta and company, the work was being done. The Feds were on the job, standing by, on the roof, so to speak, saws and supplies in hand, looking right at the problem. We, our leaders, said "Nah, let it go."
Point is we do not need a constant state of fear for them to have done their jobs then nor to do their jobs now.
CAPPY2609 said:I would but i wont take your sloppy seconds, "mikesinmud"