A Lesbian's Deliverance

[fredcaudle]

I'm not following (or maybe you're not (I don't know)). If faith heals you (of say cancer) then why do the faithful still die of cancer?

Because the wages of sin is death. Belief in Jesus Christ gives us eternal life, so we don't suffer for eternity.

As to literally being cured, I have two family members who are now in remission from cancer. They are cured and living. Will they eventually die of something? Of course, it is appointed for all once to be born and once to die.

Third, God's providence and will is more important than our desire/wants. If God decides not to heal - that does not minimize that He does heal others. My mother died of cancer... she was placed in remission for over 12 years (miracle) the first bout of breast cancer and then contracted liver cancer the 13th year and died one year later. God is not injust in this matter, God didn't love my mother less... or any other such argument as to those who don't believe in miracles.

True believers put God first and us second.... something the world can't sometimes understand. It is our faith that heals us... and not our goodness.

 

[Marie]

I'm not following (or maybe you're not (I don't know)). If faith heals you (of say cancer) then why do the faithful still die of cancer?

Christ said in the bible in various passages that because of someones faith something was given unto them.

With sickness: I would say that because of your faith it gives you the strenght to get through any trial (like Job) whether you get healed or not.

 

[vraiblonde]

If faith heals you (of say cancer) then why do the faithful still die of cancer?

Because they're just not faithful enough.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Because they're just not faithful enough.

 

[vraiblonde]

 

[tommyjones]

"again, i have to ask, if god did this, why doesn't he help all the children with cancer, or the mother who refuses a blood transfusion in HIS name?"

Jesus said several times, "It is your FAITH that has healed you". People of logic and disbelief would never see a miracle even if it smacked them in the face. Miracles are dismissed as tricks, magic etc. Those of faith know well that God in His will and providence help children even the ones people claim God doesn't help. Your second example "a mother who REFUSES..." well, refusal is not faith now is it.

Logic has its place even with those of faith... but logic more important than faith prevents seeing God because it is BY (THROUGH) FAITH we believe and see.

her faith in god and her religion is what made he refuse the transfusion, i dont see how you can claim that she didn't have faith in god. She had so much faith in god that she waited for him to save her, and we all know how that worked out.

 

[fredcaudle]

her faith in god and her religion is what made he refuse the transfusion, i dont see how you can claim that she didn't have faith in god. She had so much faith in god that she waited for him to save her, and we all know how that worked out.

Jesus said, "If you have faith you will be made well"... [several times Jesus said this in more than one gospel book]

First, faith in Jesus as Lord is for salvation. Second, when we are sick and want to be healed, we must believe (ie: have faith) that God can heal us. If we doubt that He is powerful enough to do this, then what makes us think God would answer the prayer? (Book of James discusses this well)

But again, you don't even believe in this God so what does it matter what He does? To you He doesn't exist. If He is loving, merciful, unjust, full of wrath, cruel, kind... does not matter - you don't know Him and so can't understand who He truly is.

Your attempt to make those of faith look foolish will make you and others feel good, but it won't discourage those of true faith who see what God does.

 

[tommyjones]

Jesus said, "If you have faith you will be made well"... [several times Jesus said this in more than one gospel book]

First, faith in Jesus as Lord is for salvation. Second, when we are sick and want to be healed, we must believe (ie: have faith) that God can heal us. If we doubt that He is powerful enough to do this, then what makes us think God would answer the prayer? (Book of James discusses this well)

But again, you don't even believe in this God so what does it matter what He does? To you He doesn't exist. If He is loving, merciful, unjust, full of wrath, cruel, kind... does not matter - you don't know Him and so can't understand who He truly is.

Your attempt to make those of faith look foolish will make you and others feel good, but it won't discourage those of true faith who see what God does.

again, you are dodging the FACT that this woman had complete faith that god would heal her, and she died.

 

[fredcaudle]

again, you are dodging the FACT that this woman had complete faith that god would heal her, and she died.

is this someone you know? Is this a made up example? How can I dodge something fabricated if this person is made up??????

Even if you come back saying this is a real example... you are not going to believe anyway, so again I ask what is the point you are making? I get you don't believe, it's okay with me that you don't believe... and your constant criticism toward faith and true believers is not going to change the FACT that some will believe and some won't. I choose to believe... are you okay with that?

 

[2ndAmendment]

again, you are dodging the FACT that this woman had complete faith that god would heal her, and she died.

The fact is that people die, faith or no faith. It was time for the girl to die. It was not the desire of the mother for the girl to die, but to each of us, there is an appointed time.

The woman had faith. She prayed in faith. God's answer was no.

 

[Xaquin44]

The fact is that people die, faith or no faith. It was time for the girl to die. It was not the desire of the mother for the girl to die, but to each of us, there is an appointed time.

The woman had faith. She prayed in faith. God's answer was no.

The fact is that people die, faith or no faith. It was time for the girl to die. It was not the desire of the mother for the girl to die painfully, but to each of us, there is an appointed time.

god loves the pain.

mmmmmm yeah.

 

[tommyjones]

The fact is that people die, faith or no faith. It was time for the girl to die. It was not the desire of the mother for the girl to die, but to each of us, there is an appointed time.

The woman had faith. She prayed in faith. God's answer was no.

at least that is a reasonable answer.


but that does beg the question of the lesibian.
If she prayed not to be gay, would god grant her prayer?

my answer would be the same as 2nd A's above, sometimes gods answer is no, you must remain gay.

 

[vraiblonde]

If she prayed not to be gay, would god grant her prayer?

As a behavior, being gay is something you can control. Maybe not the feelings, but the actions. Very similar to how you can pray to kick booze or drugs, and God *may* answer your prayer. But if you pray for God to, say, make you 6 inches taller or give you green eyes, the answer is probably going to be "no".

 

[tommyjones]

As a behavior, being gay is something you can control. Maybe not the feelings, but the actions. Very similar to how you can pray to kick booze or drugs, and God *may* answer your prayer. But if you pray for God to, say, make you 6 inches taller or give you green eyes, the answer is probably going to be "no".

my point is if she prayes not to be gay, not to just have the strength to not act gay.
your post indicates the feelings may be something you cannot control (i agree) so it is just like praying to be taller or for bigger boobs. you are praying for something you cannot control, your feelings of gayness.

 

[Marie]

at least that is a reasonable answer.


but that does beg the question of the lesibian.
If she prayed not to be gay, would god grant her prayer?

my answer would be the same as 2nd A's above, sometimes gods answer is no, you must remain gay.

I guess it would depend if shes a Christian before she prayed. I heard once that the only prayer of the unsaved the God hears, but I think they meant acknoweledges, is that of repentace for salvation.

Anyone else every hear that? Ive had things come to pass that I prayed for before salvation, but it may have had nothing to do with prayer or maybe it was the god of this world that answered it as it suited his plans for me.


"I went to the crossroads, fell down on my knees
I went to the crossroads, fell down on my knees
Asked the Lord above, have mercy now, save poor Marie if you please"
Sorry couldnt resist, thinking of the God of this world answering prayer made me think of this movie/song! I never really thought of that before but I guess its possible. Although he already has us before salvation so why would he need to?

 

[vraiblonde]

my point is if she prayes not to be gay, not to just have the strength to not act gay.
your post indicates the feelings may be something you cannot control (i agree) so it is just like praying to be taller or for bigger boobs. you are praying for something you cannot control, your feelings of gayness.

Well, you also can't control being a sinner - you ARE a sinner. But you're supposed to pray for strength to control yourself.

Not saying gay people are sinners, because I don't really care all that much. I don't believe in it, I just know how it's supposed to work. If someone was bothered by being gay and thought they were going to hell or something, then they should pray for the strength to not act on their impulses.

Or something like that.

 

[ItalianScallion]

again, i have to ask, if god did this, why doesn't he help all the children with cancer, or the mother who refuses a blood transfusion in HIS name?

As I said earlier, I can't speak for God on all His actions. Why DOESN'T He heal everyone? What about faith and the Apostle Paul? He was one of the greatest of God's converts and God didn't heal him of his affliction, so, again, I really don't know the reason for God's action on these things.:shrug:

 

[ItalianScallion]

her faith in god and her religion is what made he refuse the transfusion, i dont see how you can claim that she didn't have faith in god. She had so much faith in god that she waited for him to save her, and we all know how that worked out.

This one I can answer. Sadly, she wasn't praying to the true God so even a lot of faith in a non existent god results in nothing. Their god is NOT the Bible's God and it IS a big problem now and later. Now, having said that, I can't say for sure whether the true God would have healed the child or not.

 

[ItalianScallion]

I guess it would depend if shes a Christian before she prayed. I heard once that the only prayer of the unsaved the God hears, but I think they meant acknoweledges, is that of repentace for salvation.
Anyone else every hear that? Ive had things come to pass that I prayed for before salvation, but it may have had nothing to do with prayer or maybe it was the god of this world that answered it as it suited his plans for me.

John 9 v 31, The verse says that God does not hear sinners prayers, but I too had prayed before I was saved and got what I prayed for once in a while. I think that God hears all prayers (since He knows all things). I even believe that He answers SOME unsaved people's prayers so that they might later believe in Him.

 

[Xaquin44]

Why DOESN'T He heal everyone?

lazy or uncaring would be my two guesses. Not in that order though.