Are people just stupid?

bcp

In My Opinion
No doubt.

They are all responsible. Every last stinking one of them.

But, we (the middle-working class) are not better off now because of the last 8 years.

In fact:

Notice how after 2000, since the implementation of the BUSH cuts, the median income has shrunk. AWESOME!
I wonder who took the biggest financial hit over the last 8 years.
lets see,
the guy making 60k a year and saving a little for retirement?
They guy with a few million in the stock market that lost 60% of his investments.

hmmm, looks to me like the less you have, the less you loss. The big loosers were the rich..
once agian.
 

bcp

In My Opinion
Thats ok, because i dont support McCain i'm now a Leftist. Never took her for a koolaid drinker on par with Forestal or NoNoNo
but if you support obama, considering that he is so far left that you can barely see him from our countries shores,, what do you call it?
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Notice how after 2000, since the implementation of the BUSH cuts, the median income has shrunk. AWESOME!

I have no idea what you want to "prove" showing these graphs.

You may of course remember that Bush wasn't president in 2000, when the last recession began and his first tax cut arrived only briefly before another event that seriously hurt our economy for at least a year - 9/11. Aside from recuperating from that event, the entire hospitality and airline industry suffered, we began fighting in Afghanistan and began implementation of greater security with a newly created Homeland Security.

Secondly, your first chart clearly shows a recuperative period following every recession - that is, after the recession ends, the effects trail afterwards. A recession that also shows began before his term.

Lastly, your other chart demonstrates something we have actually discussed before - the GINI index of this country has increased over the last forty years, although it's debatable how relevant it is. But you will also notice that the highest percentiles have been growing steadily without any correlation to who is in office, or who controls Congress - the rich got richer under Johnson and Nixon, under Ford and Carter, Reagan and Bush, Clinton and Bush. It's got very few bumps, because their policies have very little to do with it. So its relevance to this discussion, while interesting, is totally immaterial.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Thats ok, because i dont support McCain i'm now a Leftist. Never took her for a koolaid drinker on par with Forestal or NoNoNo

Dear, if you support Barack Obama, you are a Leftist.

Supporting Leftists for President makes you...a Leftist.

Duh.

You can insult me and call me names all day long. It's obvious that's all you've got, because you surely have no political awareness.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
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:confused:
If I supported a gay for president it wouldn't make me gay...would it? :lol:

That depends. 'Gay' is not an ideology or governing philosophy. It is a sexual preference. Socialism is a governing philosophy. if you accept that then, no supporting a gay for potus wouldn't make you gay.
 

LateApex

New Member
I have no idea what you want to "prove" showing these graphs.

The thread went off on a tangent and I was merely showing that the middle class - the working force - that drives this country has not gotten better under Bush - and the republican controlled congress during his first term.

Secondly, your first chart clearly shows a recuperative period following every recession - that is, after the recession ends, the effects trail afterwards. A recession that also shows began before his term.

And continued under that watch of Bush.

Lastly, your other chart demonstrates something we have actually discussed before - the GINI index of this country has increased over the last forty years, although it's debatable how relevant it is. But you will also notice that the highest percentiles have been growing steadily without any correlation to who is in office, or who controls Congress - the rich got richer under Johnson and Nixon, under Ford and Carter, Reagan and Bush, Clinton and Bush. It's got very few bumps, because their policies have very little to do with it. So its relevance to this discussion, while interesting, is totally immaterial.

Yes. Thank you for proving another point of mine.

The rich kept getting richer.

Likewise, the working force have not gained much - if any at all. The majority of our nation is not better off - at all.

It's relevant because as you pointed out the highest percentile has grown leaps and bounds over the working class. While the workers of the nation show no economic mobility at all. As I tried to point out in that other thread - the current tax breaks that the rich get is supposed to trickle down to the working class - clearly it isn't working.

Am I actually upset that the rich make a lot of money? No. If you have the smarts and ability to realize your dream - I'm all for it.

But let's not give them even more tax breaks.

They don't need it.
 

LateApex

New Member
You can insult me and call me names all day long. It's obvious that's all you've got, because you surely have no political awareness.

Pot <------------------------> Kettle.

The only things you spout are what you can get from a 30 second political ad.

I admit, I'm not here much, but what posts I do read - your responses just seem like regurgitated crap you get from the Obama bashing commercials.
 

LateApex

New Member
Kerad, this is the sort of ignorant crap I'm voting against.

Yes.

Your true colors.

You're not voting for policies or anything of substance.

No, you're voting against simple interawebz humor.

I know you thought you were all witty and stuff when you chose your username (vrai = true) you just didn't know how apropos it really was...
 

thatguy

New Member
That depends. 'Gay' is not an ideology or governing philosophy. It is a sexual preference. Socialism is a governing philosophy. if you accept that then, no supporting a gay for potus wouldn't make you gay.

hannity and colmes went into the "socialism" crys last night. It was funny becasue all the (R)' s are claiming Obama is, but won't acknowledge Mccains support of the current progressive tax structure or his plan to give 5k to every tax payer. How exactly is giving a check for 5K to the 40% of people who dont pay any federal income taxes NOT a redistribution of wealth?

so as far as socialism goes, its your only choice this time around. Or neither of them are....
 

LateApex

New Member
hannity and colmes went into the "socialism" crys last night. It was funny becasue all the (R)' s are claiming Obama is, but won't acknowledge Mccains support of the current progressive tax structure or his plan to give 5k to every tax payer. How exactly is giving a check for 5K to the 40% of people who dont pay any federal income taxes NOT a redistribution of wealth?

so as far as socialism goes, its your only choice this time around. Or neither of them are....

It's that logic sh!t again around here...

None of that stuff ya hear?
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
hannity and colmes went into the "socialism" crys last night. It was funny becasue all the (R)' s are claiming Obama is, but won't acknowledge Mccains support of the current progressive tax structure or his plan to give 5k to every tax payer. How exactly is giving a check for 5K to the 40% of people who dont pay any federal income taxes NOT a redistribution of wealth?

so as far as socialism goes, its your only choice this time around. Or neither of them are....
Progressive taxes are a small form of socialism, and I firmly disagree with the concept. But, it's not the same as specifially calling for it to be skewed even further to Robin Hood politics. Especially in a time of economic crisis.

Tax incentives for health care is very wrong. Not nearly as wrong as mandating government run care - and be fined if you don't follow along with the mandates. One is help to the people who need it more (a form of socialism), and the other is strong armed, dictatorial tactics to make socialist policies happen.

So, your choice is sorta bad, or horrifically bad.


Feel better you got acknowledgement?
 

4Father

New Member
Dear, if you support Barack Obama, you are a Leftist.

Supporting Leftists for President makes you...a Leftist.

I respectfully disagree. There are only two choices, if you are going to vote you have to pick one and you get the whole package.

Does anyone here believe in 100% of their candidate's policies/positions/proposals/history/lifestyle?

I don't understand the need to project the most negative traits of the candidate onto that candidates supporters. Not every Obama voter is lazy welfare check cashing leftist. Both sides are guilty of it in this election.
 

thatguy

New Member
Progressive taxes are a small form of socialism, and I firmly disagree with the concept. But, it's not the same as specifially calling for it to be skewed even further to Robin Hood politics. Especially in a time of economic crisis.

Tax incentives for health care is very wrong. Not nearly as wrong as mandating government run care - and be fined if you don't follow along with the mandates. One is help to the people who need it more (a form of socialism), and the other is strong armed, dictatorial tactics to make socialist policies happen.

So, your choice is sorta bad, or horrifically bad.


Feel better you got acknowledgement?

so its a socialist or a socialist :killingme
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
The thread went off on a tangent and I was merely showing that the middle class - the working force - that drives this country has not gotten better under Bush - and the republican controlled congress during his first term.



And continued under that watch of Bush.

Not true. Check this data from the Census Bureau

With the exception of his first year, which was a recession year (thanks to Clinton), the mean income has continued to go up throughout Bush's presidency.
 
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