Best reason for the holiday season

[Xaquin44]

Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt, and what needs further study, about evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms.

Today, nearly all biologists acknowledge that evolution is a fact. The term THEORY is no longer appropriate except when referring to the various models that attempt to explain HOW life evolves... it is important to understand that the current questions about how life evolves in no way implies any disagreement over the fact of evolution.

he said it better than I did.

 

[This_person]

Clear as mud, thanks

There are three potential status: true, false, not proven either way.

Call "true" A
Call "false" B
Call "not proven" C
If you can prove something true, it's A.

If you can prove something false, it's B.

If you can't prove that it is true, and you can't prove that it is false, it's C.

Another term for C (besides not proven) is "hypothesis".



Clearer?

 

[2ndAmendment]

Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt, and what needs further study, about evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms.

Today, nearly all biologists acknowledge that evolution is a fact. The term THEORY is no longer appropriate except when referring to the various models that attempt to explain HOW life evolves... it is important to understand that the current questions about how life evolves in no way implies any disagreement over the fact of evolution.

We disagree. Evolution is not a fact. There is a theory of evolution. Mutations do happen but one species does not become another species.

 

[wxtornado]

he said it better than I did.

Lol, I got what you were saying, but thanks.

 

[Xaquin44]

Evolution is not a fact. There is a theory of evolution. Mutations do happen but one species does not become another species.

It is a fact, and there is a theory. They are not the same thing.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I have the evidence, and can easily prove it.

But it remains unproven at this point in time. Not only that but PMs, email, and other digital documents can be manufactured or altered, so their admissibility as proof is limited.

 

[Xaquin44]

But it remains unproven at this point in time. Not only that but PMs, email, and other digital documents can be manufactured or altered, so their admissibility as proof is limited.

 

[wxtornado]

There are three potential status: true, false, not proven either way.

Call "true" A
Call "false" B
Call "not proven" C
If you can prove something true, it's A.

If you can prove something false, it's B.

If you can't prove that it is true, and you can't prove that it is false, it's C.

Another term for C (besides not proven) is "hypothesis".





Clearer?

Umm, sure Why not just tell me what you want to tell me!

 

[This_person]

Evolution has been proven. The theory is what ALL it applies to. We have in our time seen things evolve (those english moths I posted in another thread are a great example) and we have seen evidence of even more. The theory is what it applies to not that it happens or doesn't.

I will hereby qualify my past and future statements regarding evolution to be about humans unless otherwise stated.

 

[Xaquin44]

I will hereby qualify my past and future statements regarding evolution to be about humans unless otherwise stated.

bah!

pick one of the ones we haven't figured out yet why don't ya!

 

[wxtornado]

We disagree. Evolution is not a fact. There is a theory of evolution. Mutations do happen but one species does not become another species.

You obviously don't understand the mechanisms of evolution. That's not a personal swipe, and you can believe god fits in wherever you want on this subject. Just don't put yourself in denial and ignore good science because your beliefs disagree with the facts.

 

[This_person]

The mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms.

So, it's fair to say that Intelligent Design could still be considered as a mechanism of evolution? I agree.

Today, nearly all biologists acknowledge that evolution is a fact. The term THEORY is no longer appropriate except when

Because of everything you said after the underlined quote, everything you said before it is not true.

 

[Bustem' Down]

I guess it would be more accurate to say "The Pope is the reason for the season". He decided it would be in the winter.

 

[wxtornado]

I will hereby qualify my past and future statements regarding evolution to be about humans unless otherwise stated.

Why the limitation? So you believe in evolution for animals like dogs and cats, but don't believe in evolution in humans??

 

[wxtornado]

So, it's fair to say that Intelligent Design could still be considered as a mechanism of evolution? I agree.

Sure, it could be.

 

[Xaquin44]

Because of everything you said after the underlined quote, everything you said before it is not true.

thats assuming evolution means one specific thing. It's a blanket term. English moths evolved to better use their surroundings as camoflague when industrialization turned the tree trunks a different color etc. etc. just because we don't know the reasons for some things evolution, doesn't mean we don't know others.

 

[This_person]

Umm, sure Why not just tell me what you want to tell me!

I thought I had!

Evolution - not proven. Not saying it's true, not saying it's false, just not proven. (see my disclaimer above regarding evolution and humans)

Virtually all religions - not proven. Not saying any are true, not saying any are false, just saying they're not proven.

The origins of life - nobody knows. Only one theory is coherent in it's principle, and explains all aspects (Intelligent Design), but it's certainly not proven, and therefore can be called neither true nor false.

 

[Bustem' Down]

So, it's fair to say that Intelligent Design could still be considered as a mechanism of evolution? I agree.Because of everything you said after the underlined quote, everything you said before it is not true.

I could be, all life on this planet would have come from the elements in space. This could be figurativly translated into man being created from earth.

 

[2ndAmendment]

You obviously don't understand the mechanisms of evolution. That's not a personal swipe, and you can believe god fits in wherever you want on this subject. Just don't put yourself in denial and ignore good science because your beliefs disagree with the facts.

Of course it is a personal swipe, but I expect no less.

The "good" science of today will be the "junk" science of tomorrow.

You have faith in Darwin. I have faith in God. Time will tell.

 

[Xaquin44]

Of course it is a personal swipe, but I expect no less.

well you're either ignoring it or not understanding it .... one way or the other.