Boy Scouts and Gay Rights Again.........

[bcp]

so it wasn't a choice. Thank you.

now point me to where being gay is different geneticly from having green eyes or black hair.

green eyes or black hair can be pretty much guessed before the child is even concieved simply by looking at the parents traits.

so, as proven by science, there is no choice.

now, show me where being gay can be determined by genetics or any other method scientifically.

 

[Xaquin44]

thanks for proving it is an illness.


and, you might want to check your facts on the life expectancy, it seems that unless they choose to live celibate, their expectancy is 20 years less that of a hetero.

and, no amount of testing has found that homosexuality is not a defect.

So, either it is a defect and should be treated as such, or its a choice.

man, what?

everything in your post is wrong.

 

[Xaquin44]

you have not proven the choice theory to be wrong to anyone but yourself.

you yourself said you didn't make a choice. I never made a choice. No one in this thread made a choice .... see where I'm going here?

 

[bcp]

you yourself said you didn't make a choice. I never made a choice. No one in this thread made a choice .... see where I'm going here?

when did the autistic kid choose to be autistic?

It is a defect.
I dont care if you cant see that, maybe part of the defect causes you not to be able to reason.

It is not a normal state of being. it is a defect.

it is nothing to be ashamed of, but it should not be celebrated to the point of keeping science from coming up with a cure.

One more time.
it is either a choice, or a defect.

 

[Xaquin44]

it is either a choice, or a defect.

actually, it's the third choice that you refuse to see. Neither.

You yourself have now argued that it isn't a choice. and to be a defect, then it has to keep you from doing something.

It is neither.

 

[PrchJrkr]

actually, it's the third choice that you refuse to see. Neither.

You yourself have now argued that it isn't a choice. and to be a defect, then it has to keep you from doing something.

It is neither.

It keeps you from thinking a ####ty #### is disgusting.

 

[bcp]

actually, it's the third choice that you refuse to see. Neither..

Neither is not a choice. It is not within what could be considered normal.

You yourself have now argued that it isn't a choice. and to be a defect, then it has to keep you from doing something.

it keeps you from reproducing. I would call that a pretty big issue if one is looking at the survival of the speicies.

It is neither

not an option, its either choice, or its defect.

 

[Xaquin44]

Neither is not a choice. It is not within what could be considered normal.

for you. Find me one civilization that behaves in exactly the same way as another and I'll give you a cookie. I suppose that the 7/8ths of the world that aren't white americans all have defects because they aren't normal?

it keeps you from reproducing. I would call that a pretty big issue if one is looking at the survival of the speicies.

ah ha ha .... ever hear of birth control? Oh noes! some people are gay! I guess now the survival of the species is in jeopardy.

oh, darn.

not an option, its either choice, or its defect.

it is neither.

 

[bcp]

for you. Find me one civilization that behaves in exactly the same way as another and I'll give you a cookie. I suppose that the 7/8ths of the world that aren't white americans all have defects because they aren't normal?.

Show me one civilization that was able to survive the centuries without reproducing.
and, I dont like cookies. However, I am all for the occassional beer.

ah ha ha .... ever hear of birth control? Oh noes! some people are gay! I guess now the survival of the species is in jeopardy.

oh, darn.

So, are you saying that homosexuality is natures birth control? I dont follow you here.
we have the ability to reproduce to provide for the continued existence, we now have birth control so we dont over do it. Birth control is a choice (thats the word you have a hard time with)

and,, did you snap your fingers when you said, "oh, darn" ?

it is neither

Is too.

 

[Xaquin44]

Show me one civilization that was able to survive the centuries without reproducing.
and, I dont like cookies. However, I am all for the occassional beer.

I don't think our species will die out. Also, I don't drink so you can have my beer.

So, are you saying that homosexuality is natures birth control? I dont follow you here.
we have the ability to reproduce to provide for the continued existence, we now have birth control so we dont over do it. Birth control is a choice (thats the word you have a hard time with)

I was just saying that we have birth control yet our species is multiplying anyway .... mostly I was just explaining that gay people won't hurt the species chances of survival at all.

and,, did you snap your fingers when you said, "oh, darn" ?

nope, sorry.

Is too.

Is not.

(ever seen Hot Shots!)?

 

[Xaquin44]

You know what just occured to me is that none of this matters really in the context of the topic (Boy Scouts).

If it isn't a choice then it shouldn't be discriminated against. If it isn't (or is) a defect (it isn't) then it shouldn't be discriminated against. If it's neither, then it shouldn't be discriminated against.

 

[bcp]

I don't think our species will die out. Also, I don't drink so you can have my beer.

so much for the beer and cookie outing.

I was just saying that we have birth control yet our species is multiplying anyway .... mostly I was just explaining that gay people won't hurt the species chances of survival at all.

No, gay people wont hurt the species as far as reproduction goes, but then, either will any other person with a genetic defect. It is however not natural to NOT be able to partake in the continued success of the species.

nope, sorry.

thats ok.

Is not.

Too.

(ever seen Hot Shots!)?

Yeah that movie cracked me up.

 

[bcp]

You know what just occured to me is that none of this matters really in the context of the topic (Boy Scouts).

If it isn't a choice then it shouldn't be discriminated against. If it isn't (or is) a defect (it isn't) then it shouldn't be discriminated against. If it's neither, then it shouldn't be discriminated against.

and back to the original question.
why is it that they so badly want to be part of something that does not want them?
other than to just try and cause problems and force acceptance of their lifestyle I can see no reason.

 

[Xaquin44]

No, gay people wont hurt the species as far as reproduction goes, but then, either will any other person with a genetic defect. It is however not natural to NOT be able to partake in the continued success of the species.

yet there are examples of homosexuality in nearly every species in the animal kingdom.

 

[bcp]

yet there are examples of homosexuality in nearly every species in the animal kingdom.

and that makes it an acceptable deviation from the norm in humans?
we somehow have come to look at the animal kingdom to discover what is or is not acceptable to us?

 

[Xaquin44]

and back to the original question.
why is it that they so badly want to be part of something that does not want them?
other than to just try and cause problems and force acceptance of their lifestyle I can see no reason.

maybe they want to learn outdoor skills and learn responsibilities and everything that goes along with being a boy scout.

You know as well as I do that no one can force acceptance of anything (heck our arguements alone prove that). As for causing problems, you're probably right in some cases, but it's highly (to the point of 'no way') doubtful that every single gay person has it in for the boy scouts.

 

[Xaquin44]

and that makes it an acceptable deviation from the norm in humans?
we somehow have come to look at the animal kingdom to discover what is or is not acceptable to us?

there is no 'norm' in humans. Look at civilizations all across the world and through history. In ancient greece no one gave a good damn about gay people. Nothing bad came of it.

I looked to the animal kingdom (of which we are a part) to demonstrate that it's everywhere. It isn't unnatural. It just is.

 

[bcp]

maybe they want to learn outdoor skills and learn responsibilities and everything that goes along with being a boy scout.

You know as well as I do that no one can force acceptance of anything (heck our arguements alone prove that). As for causing problems, you're probably right in some cases, but it's highly (to the point of 'no way') doubtful that every single gay person has it in for the boy scouts.

they are not welcome by the boyscouts, they do not fit the guidlines of the boyscouts.
They are asking the boyscouts to change their requirements to accomodate the homosexual.

no. I dont think the boyscouts should have to do this.

there is nothing at all keeping the homosexuals from having their own club where they can do basically the same thing.

I fail to see why this is an issue to anyone.

and everything that goes along with being a boy scout

part of that everything is not being gay.

 

[bcp]

there is no 'norm' in humans. Look at civilizations all across the world and through history. In ancient greece no one gave a good damn about gay people. Nothing bad came of it.

I looked to the animal kingdom (of which we are a part) to demonstrate that it's everywhere. It isn't unnatural. It just is.

murder and theft are everywhere across the animal kingdom. its not unatural either.

 

[tommyjones]

part of that everything is not being an adult gay.

they cant really be saying that boys who might be a little swishy cant join can they? Just that they dont want queers as leaders, right?