Chopticon teacher on a week +++cruise???

[mAlice]

I was talking AVGJoe... not .

I think teachers are underpaid as salaried employees for the amount of hours they work a year.

Define average Joe, 'cuz I consider myself one.

 

[clevalley]

Heh.

I'm not letting you off that easily.

I'm curious if there is an article that can explain the decrease in that bracket.

Not sure if we can infer anything from that data now that I look at it more closely.

It's plain and simple -

5% Minority - 174K Incidents - 26.9 per 1000
5 - 20% Minority - 269K Inicidents - 22.9 per 1000 (yes, a bit of a drop)
20 - 50% Minority - 326K Inicidents - 28.4 per 1000
50% + Minority - 677.5K Incidents - 39.9 per 1000

Plain and simple - if you cannot see it, I am sorry... and this is only the Violent column... there is a 25% increase between 20-50% and 50% plus...

Everything is on the US Department of Education website - I have seen all I needed to back up what I am saying...

 

[clevalley]

I was talking AVGJoe... not .

I think teachers are underpaid as salaried employees for the amount of hours they work a year.

I think teachers are under-paid period... along with police officers...

For the amount of crap they put up with, they do not get paid enough IMO - I know I could not do it...

 

[mAlice]

I think teachers are under-paid period... along with police officers...

For the amount of crap they put up with, they do not get paid enough IMO - I know I could not do it...

They did choose those jobs. If they're unhappy, they should be smart enough to find a new job. Plain and simple.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

I'm no expert on guns & gun laws, so I'm sure 10 people are about to correct me - Doesn't the ammo have to be in a different place within the vehicle than the gun? Such as, ammo up front and gun in the trunk? That's gonna take more than 3 seconds.

just found this real fast and wanted to share...

57-11. Firearms in or near places of public
assembly.
(a) A person must not sell, transfer, possess,
or transport a handgun, rifle, or shotgun, or
ammunition for these firearms, in or within 100
yards of a place of public assembly.
(b) This section does not:
(1) prohibit the teaching of firearms safety or
other educational or sporting use in the areas
described in subsection (a);
(2) apply to a law enforcement officer, or a
security guard licensed to carry the firearm;
(3) apply to the possession of a firearm or
ammunition in the person’s own home;
(4) apply to the possession of one firearm,
and ammunition for the firearm, at a business by
either the owner or one authorized employee of
the business;
(5) apply to the possession of a handgun by a
person who has received a permit to carry the
handgun under State law; or
(6) apply to separate ammunition or an unloaded
firearm:
(A) transported in an enclosed case or in a
locked firearms rack on a motor vehicle; or(B) being surrendered in connection with a
gun turn-in or similar program approved by a law
enforcement agency.

I don't really feel like finding the exact law i'm looking for

I'm not 100% positive, I believe ammo must be in a different location such as a glove box or console....but there isn't anything (to my knowledge) saying you cannot have a shotgun slug or two in your pocket :shrug:

 

[MMDad]

Okay, figure in 9 hours instead of 7.5.

Still works out to $23.39 per hour. For the same base salary, and significantly better benefits than the average Joe. 17% more per hour, better benefits, more time with family..... not too shabby all in all.

Do you really consider $23.39 a good salary for a degreed, licensed professional?

 

[LateApex]

It's plain and simple -

5% Minority - 174K Incidents - 26.9 per 1000
5 - 20% Minority - 269K Inicidents - 22.9 per 1000 (yes, a bit of a drop)
20 - 50% Minority - 326K Inicidents - 28.4 per 1000
50% + Minority - 677.5K Incidents - 39.9 per 1000

Plain and simple - if you cannot see it, I am sorry... and this is only the Violent column... there is a 25% increase between 20-50% and 50% plus...

Everything is on the US Department of Education website - I have seen all I needed to back up what I am saying...

How convenient to say 'yes there is a bit of a drop'

I could argue that the data supports that as minorities increase incidents drop... The data supports it..

What about greater than 50% there's no data to support that.

 

[clevalley]

I ask...

Define average Joe, 'cuz I consider myself one.

...which Average Joe are you? Peter LaFleur or Kate Veatch??

If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball...

 

[This_person]

Do you really consider $23.39 a good salary for a degreed, licensed professional?

Licensed? Is there a teacher's license?

No, I don't think that's a high salary, but I don't think it's a pittance, either. But, I also don't think there are very many teachers making only $40,000/year here. However, when you take into account the low work hours of a teacher, and "quality of life" issues (days off when the kids are have days off of school for the most part, all holidays with the family, etc., etc.), the tenure that pretty much prohibits any real punishment or fear of losing one's job, the medical and retirement benefits.... Yeah, I guess I do think that's an acceptable paycheck for the work involved.

 

[Xaquin44]

low work hours?

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

Licensed? Is there a teacher's license?

No, I don't think that's a high salary, but I don't think it's a pittance, either. But, I also don't think there are very many teachers making only $40,000/year here. However, when you take into account the low work hours of a teacher, and "quality of life" issues (days off when the kids are have days off of school for the most part, all holidays with the family, etc., etc.), the tenure that pretty much prohibits any real punishment or fear of losing one's job, the medical and retirement benefits.... Yeah, I guess I do think that's an acceptable paycheck for the work involved.

I will no longer discuss this with anyone who is ignorant on the subject

 

[kom526]

Licensed? Is there a teacher's license?

No, I don't think that's a high salary, but I don't think it's a pittance, either. But, I also don't think there are very many teachers making only $40,000/year here. However, when you take into account the low work hours of a teacher, and "quality of life" issues (days off when the kids are have days off of school for the most part, all holidays with the family, etc., etc.), the tenure that pretty much prohibits any real punishment or fear of losing one's job, the medical and retirement benefits.... Yeah, I guess I do think that's an acceptable paycheck for the work involved.

They need to be certified by the state.

You know not of what you speak but it is a free country.

 

[MMDad]

Licensed? Is there a teacher's license?

You know absolutely nothing about the subject, but that doesn't slow you down one bit, does it?

Go back to harassing JPC. Picking on the mentally handicapped is more your speed.

 

[This_person]

low work hours?

Annually.

 

[clevalley]

How convenient to say 'yes there is a bit of a drop'.

- you 'aint getting it, are you? - it is true, I am not disputing that am I??? There is one data point that does show a drop - but look at the rest of them.

I could argue that the data supports that as minorities increase incidents drop... The data supports it...

Show me something besides one data point? I admit to that above right?

What about greater than 50% there's no data to support that.

- isn't that 50% + which I have already showed you??? >50% is 50% + last time I went to school...

Like I said, I really do not think you are getting it - or you just want to argue something with real data to back it up...

Now go find something and show me otherwise...

:edit: - and what I mean by otherwise is show me data where more minorities reduces violence in those schools! I doubt you can...

 

[Xaquin44]

Annually.

not really =/

Sorry, but half the people in my family are or were teachers. They work constantly (even in the summer).

 

[This_person]

They need to be certified by the state.

You know not of what you speak but it is a free country.

So, a certificate is the same as a license? I bet a lot of doctors, lawyers, etc., would disagree.

Please, feel free to continue to bash though.

 

[This_person]

I will no longer discuss this with anyone who is ignorant on the subject

Where was I wrong?

 

[This_person]

You know absolutely nothing about the subject, but that doesn't slow you down one bit, does it?

Go back to harassing JPC. Picking on the mentally handicapped is more your speed.

Do you understand the difference between a license and a certificate? I wasn't harassing anyone, I was discussing in here. Does a different opinion offend you?

 

[LateApex]

- you 'aint getting it, are you? - it is true, I am not disputing that am I??? There is one data point that does show a drop - but look at the rest of them.



Show me something besides one data point? I admit to that above right?



- isn't that 50% + which I have already showed you??? >50% is 50% + last time I went to school...

Like I said, I really do not think you are getting it - or you just want to argue something with real data to back it up...

Now go find something and show me otherwise...

Okay..

Right here:

Explain this away:

5 - 20% Minority - 269K Inicidents - 22.9 per 1000 (yes, a bit of a drop)

Have you ever studied radar waves?

I can make them look smooth if I ignore certain increments... But, if I dig deeper there are nulls and valleys.

The same with that data.

How about the study in increments of 1%?

Will I see a drop or increase?

Data can be massaged in many ways to show varying outcomes. Not sure if you're an engineer or not, but numbers and the way they are presented are not always what they seem.

Is there an increase? Sure. I see it right there.

Do I see a decrease in certain segments? Sure. I see it right there as well.

Where was the study done? Was it done across America? If so, was it in the southern or northern portions? Lots of varying factors to be looked at...