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Low work hours. I've never known a teacher working low work hours.
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Low work hours. I've never known a teacher working low work hours.
LateApex
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Show me something besides one data point? I admit to that above right?
I bet you if I expanded from 5% to 20% in 1% percent increments I could show you a decrease.
How about I did it in 1/2% increments? I just doubled my data points.
I could do that infinitely in a finite area to show an increase.
Numbers are just that.. They can be massaged anyway you want to...
Xaquin44
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the bolded parts.
Just because teachers aren't physically in the building doesn't mean they aren't working.
Students get homework. Teachers have to grade all that homework and classwork and they sure as heck don't do it while they're teaching class.
They do some during their free period (if they aren't doing something else (they usually have to)) and the rest is done at home.
During summers (as was said, they spend the month before and after class starts for students in the building) they plan the next year, take courses as is mandated by the BOE, and numerous other things that believe it or not are also job related.
This_person
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No one disagreed when it was supposed that teachers work 9 hours a day. At 190 days per year that's 1710 hours per year. Compared to 2080 for the average worker, that's low. Thus, low work hours.
Yes, they slave until 2 am six days a week, and all that, but I'm trying to talk about reality.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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GJ bustem
it is quite easy to see that anyone trying to lowball a teacher's working hours has not been a teacher or been close to a teacher or even just OPENED THEIR EYES to see how much work a teacher does. They may be contractually obligated to X number of hours but I wouldn't be surprised if they doubled that EASILY with their before/after school, lunch break, and at home work that they do just to help the kids succeed.
Some of you people really disgust me with the way you close your minds and can manage to be so ignorant.
This_person
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Okay, here are the bolded parts:
However, when you take into account the low work hours of a teacher, and "quality of life" issues (days off when the kids are have days off of school for the most part, all holidays with the family, etc., etc.), the tenure that pretty much prohibits any real punishment or fear of losing one's job, the medical and retirement benefits.... Yeah, I guess I do think that's an acceptable paycheck for the work involved.
You discussed the low work hours comment. I addressed it above. What about the rest of the bolded parts?
Xaquin44
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unfortunatly, you don't know the reality.
perhaps this is true of kindergarten teachers, as adding 2+2 doesn't take long to check. Try a highschool english teacher who has to grade grammar, content, spelling, and composition for 4-6 classes of 30-35 students 3-5 page papers, in addition to the classwork, tests, quizzes, and etc.
Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
190 days a week? Most work during summer school. They also work some days that kids are off.
mAlice
professional daydreamer
GJ bustem
it is quite easy to see that anyone trying to lowball a teacher's working hours has not been a teacher or been close to a teacher or even just OPENED THEIR EYES to see how much work a teacher does. They may be contractually obligated to X number of hours but I wouldn't be surprised if they doubled that EASILY with their before/after school, lunch break, and at home work that they do just to help the kids succeed.
Some of you people really disgust me with the way you close your minds and can manage to be so ignorant.
Okay. Enlighten us. Exactly how many hours does a teacher put in annually?
This_person
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"Doubled"?? You think they work 15 hours a day?? From 7 am until 10 pm, they're doing nothing but work for the school? REALITY CHECK!GJ bustem
it is quite easy to see that anyone trying to lowball a teacher's working hours has not been a teacher or been close to a teacher or even just OPENED THEIR EYES to see how much work a teacher does. They may be contractually obligated to X number of hours but I wouldn't be surprised if they doubled that EASILY with their before/after school, lunch break, and at home work that they do just to help the kids succeed.
Some of you people really disgust me with the way you close your minds and can manage to be so ignorant.
SouthernMdRocks
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Why isn't it that easy?:shrug:
Half the battle is realizing you are the one that can make the change and not expecting others to just hand it to you.
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kom526
They call me ... Sarcasmo
You'd be surprised...
Xaquin44
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well I'm not 100% on any med/retirements, but the job security is the same as any place and is nothing super special.
As for having off days when kids have off, that is completely false. Many times they are for parent/teacher conferences (2-4 times a year) and even if they are 'off' doesn't mean they aren't grading papers and going over lesson plans. They don't have the joyous summers you seem to envision. Less work in the summer? Yes. No work in summer? No
LateApex
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Not sure the actual number, but I dated two teachers.
Both of them were always doing some kind of work after they got home.
Both of them actually went in during the summer to prepare for the upcoming year.
Both of them actually spent money OUT OF POCKET for supplies and other necessities because the school didn't provide it for them.
Is it the hardest job in the world?
Probably not.
But, to say it's an easy job because they get all this time off during the year is pretty ignorant.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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The thing you're not getting is that even though the kids are off...the teacher isn't. when do you think they grade midterms, projects, ect? They do them over the thanksgiving break that everyone else gets. they do it over the nice drawn out spring break...
it isn't all time off for them
obviously it varies depending on the class.
a shop teacher (do they even still have those?) is not going to have a ton of homework to take home and grade, whereas a "main" subject like math, science, EVEN social studies will have lots of homework to grade, take classes to keep up to date on the subject, ect.
clevalley
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Contact the National Center for Education Statistics and ask them for a breakout there 'Radar'
Go argue with your partner about this... I cannot make you see where 'if the minority enrollment increases, so does the violence.'
Like I said, please get back with me when you find something else to support your dismal argument.
LateApex
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Contact the National Center for Education Statistics and ask them for a breakout there 'Radar'
Go argue with your partner about this... I cannot make you see where 'if the minority enrollment increases, so does the violence.'
Like I said, please get back with me when you find something else to support your dismal argument.
In predicate calculus all it takes is one thing to be proven false.
I just proved that across the board it can't be said definitively that as it increases so does violence.
All I had to do was disprove it once.
What if the study stopped at that threshold?
Would I be able to say it decreases?
The onus is on you - to prove without a doubt that is the case.
mAlice
professional daydreamer
I never said it was an easy job. There's a reason why it's called "work".
I really don't know what the gripe is. I can't grasp it. I know a lot of people, average joe's and degreed, that put in 60-80 hour weeks. I don't see the pity party for them.
What about the people that work right up to, but not quite 40 hours, in retail. They don't have health insurance, they usually work weekends and holidays, and you want people to feel sympathetic to the plight of teachers?
This_person
Well-Known Member
Any place but a tenured teacher
Completely false? No, somewhat? Well, that's why I said "for the most part". I was speaking of the holidays, snow days, etc. Same with the summer, less work, not none, was my point.