Saw it before. Still funny. And he is still stupid. There is no such thing as a Glock 40. http://www.glock.com/te_english.htmAK-74me said:
And I agree, there are few accidental discharges especially with a Glock. [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT,sans-serif][size=-1][/size][/font]
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2ndAmendment said:
Actually there have been over 50 court cases involving "accidental discharge" of the Glock 22, the Glock 40 if you will, alone. That's not counting discharges that were not reported, did not end up in court, or that involve other Glocks like the Glock 17. A quick Google check of "Glock Accidental Discharge" yields page after page of stories about these events, while a similar search on say Beretta yields mostly info about drop safety. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Glock is not a safe pistol once it's in someone's hand.
What you write about the safety system on the Glocks is 100% accurate, but the problem with accidental discharges with Glocks do not stem from drops or other safe-carry situations. They stem from placing one's finger on the trigger, thus disabling the safety, before the shooter is ready to fire. The 5-5.5lb trigger pull on a Glock is lighter than that found on a Beretta (7 pound), plus on a pistol with a thumb-actuated safety you can safely have your finger on the trigger with a 0% chance of discharge.
Also, while it's easy to maintain finger/trigger seperation on a gun range, it's another story in a crisis situation where the use of lethal force is imminent. The natural reflex is to place your finger on the trigger, and with a Glock that means you're now about a 5lb pull away from hearing a loud bang. Generally speaking, you shouldn't ever have your finger within the trigger guard until you're ready to fire, but then again you shouldn't have your pistol drawn unless you intend to fire, and once your finger is on the trigger of a Glock, and the safety disabled, there's any number of reasons why the required pressure could be applied... hence all of the numerous accidental discharges.
Again, these are not accidental. The person pulled the trigger. That is a purposeful act. The court cases are probably just CYA; someone screwed up and pulled the trigger and is looking for an excuse. As far as the trigger pull, there are a number of disconnector options for the Glock from 3 to, I think, 15 pounds.Bruzilla said:
Several Glocks come in .40 S&W; the 22, 23, 24, 27, and 35, but there is not a Glock 40.
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I'm sure the instructor/ speaker didn't mean a model when he said Glock 40, just like when they say "I gots shot by a nine." they don't mean a Colt, Ruger or S&W model 9 either.. Audience wouldn't know a model 19 from a model 27.. But you say 9 or 40, they know what you mean.
And about trigger safeties.. You are talking non-accidental discharges from people that have been trained on how to handle guns.. ie Don't put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot".. I've bought a few guns.. I don't remember ANYONE asking me about what kind of safety trining or gun handling training I've had. So MOST people that have guns I would say aren't aware, don't care, and if they did know would probably ignore the issue and hold it with their fingers on the trigger anyways. So yes, i would agree that a trigger safety really isn't a safety at all. Just think if the "Glock 40" had a better safety, the instructor would probably sitll have ten toes, and he was trained on how to handle a weapon.
And about trigger safeties.. You are talking non-accidental discharges from people that have been trained on how to handle guns.. ie Don't put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot".. I've bought a few guns.. I don't remember ANYONE asking me about what kind of safety trining or gun handling training I've had. So MOST people that have guns I would say aren't aware, don't care, and if they did know would probably ignore the issue and hold it with their fingers on the trigger anyways. So yes, i would agree that a trigger safety really isn't a safety at all. Just think if the "Glock 40" had a better safety, the instructor would probably sitll have ten toes, and he was trained on how to handle a weapon.
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Once more for hyper-technical amongst us... a Glock Model 22 is only produced in caliber 40 S&W, but most people don't know a Model 17 from 19 from a 22. I'm sure there are lot's of people who would think your Glock 22 was a .22 caliber pistol. When someone says they have a Glock 40 they are referring to the Glock Model 22 in most cases.
Yes, inadvertant firing of most modern pistols is a purposeful act, but not an intentional act. Yes, some cop's finger did pull the trigger, but they pulled it unintentionally. Now why did this happen? Why was the finger on the trigger of the cop did not intend to shoot? You have to take into account the physiology of entering into a hostile situation. This is a far cry different from standing on a firing line at a range. If you're drawing your weapon in the former there's a good chance that you'll be shooting, but also a good chance you won't be, and there's usually little or no time to decide which way you're going to go.
On a range you have all the time you want to get situated and then only let your finger enter the guard when you are actually ready to fire. That's a luxury that's absent in a crisis, which is why about 99.9% of the time you'll be drawing your pistol with your finger on the trigger even if you're not actually ready to shoot. And in most cases, if applicable, you're drawing your gun with your index on the trigger and your thumb on the safety, which provides you with an extra layer of security against unintentional discharge. With a Glock you don't have that safeguard, hence the huge numbers of unintentional discharge reports as compared to pistols with thumb safties, DAO pistols, or revolvers.
Yes, inadvertant firing of most modern pistols is a purposeful act, but not an intentional act. Yes, some cop's finger did pull the trigger, but they pulled it unintentionally. Now why did this happen? Why was the finger on the trigger of the cop did not intend to shoot? You have to take into account the physiology of entering into a hostile situation. This is a far cry different from standing on a firing line at a range. If you're drawing your weapon in the former there's a good chance that you'll be shooting, but also a good chance you won't be, and there's usually little or no time to decide which way you're going to go.
On a range you have all the time you want to get situated and then only let your finger enter the guard when you are actually ready to fire. That's a luxury that's absent in a crisis, which is why about 99.9% of the time you'll be drawing your pistol with your finger on the trigger even if you're not actually ready to shoot. And in most cases, if applicable, you're drawing your gun with your index on the trigger and your thumb on the safety, which provides you with an extra layer of security against unintentional discharge. With a Glock you don't have that safeguard, hence the huge numbers of unintentional discharge reports as compared to pistols with thumb safties, DAO pistols, or revolvers.