Dad tosses 4 kids to their death

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ewashkow said:
I am pro choice but am 100% AGAINST partial birth. When the time comes that partial birth can be preformed (20-26 weeks), the baby has a very viable chance of survival without the mother. Unfortunately, in the eyes of the law, partial birth abortion is just as legal as the standard abortion since they are both abortions.
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I'm even okay with partial-birth. The reasoning is that if a woman is so callous and cruel that she would let a doctor stab her infant in the head and suck its brains out, I prefer she not raise children.

The most horrifying thing I ever heard of regarding abortion was this woman who went in to get an abortion and something went wrong so that the pregnancy wasn't terminated. So the woman had the child, and proceeded to sue the hospital/doctor for malpractice.

Can you imagine being a little kid and having your mother sue because you're alive and not dead?

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pcjohnnyb said:
I think to be a more intellectual person it would help you to realize that the world is not black and white.
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Sorry, babe. The world is pretty much black and white. It's rationalizations and dishonesty that make the shades of gray.
 
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vraiblonde said:
THIS is why I'm pro-abortion. But there are consequences for that mentality, and we are realizing them.
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I understand your point, but I really do not see it as relevant to this case.

This was a man getting revenge on his wife by taking away what was most important to her. He killed the kids to hurt her, not because abortion is legal. There were murders like this before abortion was legalized, and there will be murders like this if abortion is criminalized.
 
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vraiblonde said:
If you support someone's right to rape another human being without repurcussion, would you consider yourself pro-choice or pro-rape?
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Sorry. I posted my reply before reading all of the forum. I am pro-abortion as you would say. God forbid, if someone was raped and got pregnant from it, I would definitely be pro-abortion and I love that the option is there.

I am not pro-rape since I was a victim of it and firmly believe that no one should EVER have to go through that. I however, was one of the people who reported it and took the morning after pill to avoid having to make that choice further down the road.

Just because I believe abortions should be legal, doesn't mean I want to have one.
 
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vraiblonde said:
Sorry, babe. The world is pretty much black and white. It's rationalizations and dishonesty that make the shades of gray.
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:doh:

and this is why I usually refuse to have a debate with you...such as in this instance :yay:

example:
Would you have any problem commiting assault or even murder for no reason at all?

I'm going to bet that you don't randomly go around beating people.

NOW. Do you have any problem with assaulting, or even possibly murdering, someone that either assaults, rapes, kills a family member or child of yours?

Views change depending on circumstance. That is where everything isn't black and white..if it were, you would never think about even physically defending a family member because you are against assaulting someone.


not saying this example applies to you, but think a bit more before you speak/express your opinions and we'll all be better off :smile:
 
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pcjohnnyb said:
Would you have any problem commiting assault or even murder for no reason at all?

I'm going to bet that you don't randomly go around beating people.

NOW. Do you have any problem with assaulting, or even possibly murdering, someone that either assaults, rapes, kills a family member or child of yours?
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Which is it: for no reason at all, or in self-defense? Because those are two different situations.

It's like saying do I condone incarceration for people who haven't done a thing? And if not, how can I condone it for someone who's committed a crime? The two situations are entirely different.
 
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vraiblonde said:
Which is it: for no reason at all, or in self-defense? Because those are two different situations.

It's like saying do I condone incarceration for people who haven't done a thing? And if not, how can I condone it for someone who's committed a crime? The two situations are entirely different.
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ok. bad example maybe..

lets keep this simple.

Do you cook? Lets say that you are FOR putting Jalapenos in omlettes you make, but you choose not to (even though you have them in the house) on a certain day because your stomach is upset. You are changing your opinion based on the situation at hand. Even though in the abortion arguement, you sound to be for all abortions, not EVERYONE is for each type of abortion. Some women are just for the choice to have an abortion, not actually for the abortion act itself. For instance, you can be for the RIGHT to speak freely, but you may not personally want to express your thoughts on...lets say religion...publicly.

basically, you are wrong in saying that someone HAS to be pro-abortion if they are pro-choice.
 
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pcjohnnyb said:
ok. bad example maybe..

lets keep this simple.

Do you cook? Lets say that you are FOR putting Jalapenos in omlettes you make, but you choose not to (even though you have them in the house) on a certain day because your stomach is upset. You are changing your opinion based on the situation at hand. Even though in the abortion arguement, you sound to be for all abortions, not EVERYONE is for each type of abortion. Some women are just for the choice to have an abortion, not actually for the abortion act itself. For instance, you can be for the RIGHT to speak freely, but you may not personally want to express your thoughts on...lets say religion...publicly.

basically, you are wrong in saying that someone HAS to be pro-abortion if they are pro-choice.
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:confused:

By definition, if you are "pro-choice", then you are pro-abortion if it is that person's choice. Words mean something.
 
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vraiblonde said:
:confused:

By definition, if you are "pro-choice", then you are pro-abortion if it is that person's choice. Words mean something.
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I hate everything about cigarettes, but I don't think I should be able to keep you from smoking. Am I pro-choice, or pro-cigarettes?
 
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vraiblonde said:
:confused:

By definition, if you are "pro-choice", then you are pro-abortion if it is that person's choice. Words mean something.
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no.

there is another side to it.

you are pro choice for them to have a birth if that is their desire.

if for instance we were following commi rules, pro-abortion could mean that you are for women having their children aborted w/o their consent.

If you are pro-choice, you are for giving the woman the option of what she would like to do with the blob of matter inside of her that will eventually become a baby.
 
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Cowgirl said:
I hate everything about cigarettes, but I don't think I should be able to keep you from smoking. Am I pro-choice, or pro-cigarettes?
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You're pro-cigarettes for other people, but don't choose to partake yourself. Just like I am pro-abortion for other people, but have never and would never do it myself.
 
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vraiblonde said:
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By definition, if you are "pro-choice", then you are pro-abortion if it is that person's choice. Words mean something.
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No. I actually did a Sociology paper on that exact topic.
I am pro-choice but by no means does it make me happy when the choice is made for an abortion.
I've never had an abortion, but I don't want anyone to take the right to have one away, should I ever find myself in that position.
 
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camily said:
No. I actually did a Sociology paper on that exact topic.
I am pro-choice but by no means does it make me happy when the choice is made for an abortion.
I've never had an abortion, but I don't want anyone to take the right to have one away, should I ever find myself in that position.
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:doh:

lets at least hope she listens to you considering that is EXACTLY what I just said :lmao:


right...here :smile: :lmao:
pcjohnnyb said:
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no.

there is another side to it.

you are pro choice for them to have a birth if that is their desire.

if for instance we were following commi rules, pro-abortion could mean that you are for women having their children aborted w/o their consent.

If you are pro-choice, you are for giving the woman the option of what she would like to do with the blob of matter inside of her that will eventually become a baby.
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