Dad tosses 4 kids to their death

[LexiGirl75]

It's pro choice. No matter which you choose, it IS your choice.

Yeah, I assumed she doesn't care if babies are born. I just wasn't sure why she called it that, if it meant something like she wished all females who reach the age to be able to conceive should be fixed from here on out or something.

I found she's giving her choice a more conscious voice by saying pro-abortion as opposed to pro-choice. Pro-choice sounds better because of the 50/50 vote of life or abortion. Pro-abortion is just another way of saying pro-choice just without the glitter.

 

[LexiGirl75]

That name seems vietnamese to me but his hair is very curly and I don't know any Vietnamese with curly hair.

Dad tosses 4 kids to... 01-09-2008 06:58 PM His daddy was a black serviceman and his mommy was vietnamese. nothing unusual there. Bet the black daddy isn't in the picture. nothing unusual there, is it?

Ok, I read this thread up til it shifted topics. Where is this info found about his dad? A lot of mental issues really are tied to aspects of childhood and most victims are victims of victims. Doesn't make it right but it does give it definition.

 

[Cowgirl]

Pro-abortion is just another way of saying pro-choice just without the glitter.

No, it's not the same at all.

 

[LexiGirl75]

No, it's not the same at all.

Were you planning on explaining this further? Don't leave me hanging.

This is what I've concluded and I explained it a lot because I want to show how I came up with what you are opposing as not the same at all. That way you can address that which I am not getting.

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Pro-Choice is made up of two options: Life & Abortion

The people who use this standing are saying "Pick one, it's your body, your choice, it's not up to me". :shrug:

It's a "nicer" way to say you are okay with abortion because you're not taking a stand against it. For those who don't like controversy or confrontation for their beliefs they use this term.

They are hiding behind the glorified way of saying they believe in abortion because they're coming out completely saying "Do it, I support you, I'm Pro-Abortion".

For Vrai, she isn't ashame to admit she believes in it completely so she gives it the title it is Pro-Abortion which is the opposite of Pro-LIfe.

Just like parents. Some are ok with underage sex and put their children on birth control and buy them condoms (Pro-Abortion).

Other parents are completely against it and will fight to instill this belief in their children. (Pro-Life)

Then you have those parents who are aware it's happening but not dealing with it and don't want to so the children are making the decision (Pro-Choice).

The in-between option is merely existing because the issue isn't being dealt with. It's like silence...

If we remove the option that BOTH Pro-Life and Pro-Choice people believe in which is "keep the baby" we're left with the option of controversy "kill the baby".

Pro-abortion does not mean keep the baby and Pro-Life does not mean kill the baby. Pro-Choice means keep or kill and gives what really is a black and white situation some grey area or "glitter". Gets the person not choosing a side off the hook. Which in any disagreement among 3 where two are opposing and the 3rd is needed to settle the argument and the 3rd person says "I don't know, you, person 1 could be right, but you person 2 is probably right too. I can't really say". Basically giving the YES person power to move forward because the challenging NO person who brought the 3rd person in didn't get the leverage they needed to settle.

The only way I can see Pro-Abortion not meaning the same as Pro-Choice is if people who are Pro-Abortion don't want anymore babies born on the earth ever again. If it Pro-Abortion means "A woman should be able to do whatever she wants because it's her body including having an abortion and I support her" then it's the same as Pro-Choice. Right?

 

[BuddyLee]

Why would someone support that?

I would support the rape of me...

...under certain circumstances.

 

[BuddyLee]

because you can be BOTH pro-choice and pro-abortion...

Pro-liberty in sum.

 

[This_person]

Abortion is murder.
It is allowed for the same reason capital punishment is, tho it is also murder.
If having sex means you must want/have a baby, then supporting capital execution means you support murder ( to yr line of thinking). When a felon murders another person, it dont mean he wants to be executed...

I'm not following your "logic". Abortion is murder, you understand that and that is good.

Capital punishment is, well, punishment, not murder. Sort of like killing in war, it's not murder. You can look up the dictionary definitions of the words killing, and murder, and see there are differences.

But, you say that abortion is allowed for the same reason as capital punishment - so I have to ask, what was the baby's crime? Were they given a lawyer, a jury trial? Appeals? I'm not following how they're even close (since one is murder, one is killing, one is punishment from trial, and one isn't).

Having sex means you understand the risk of having a child, and are willing to take that responsibility. How is that the same as punishing a criminal?

 

[Dye Tied]

Were you planning on explaining this further? Don't leave me hanging.
This is what I've concluded and I explained it a lot because I want to show how I came up with what you are opposing as not the same at all. That way you can address that which I am not getting. - - - - -

Pro-Choice is made up of two options: Life & Abortion
The people who use this standing are saying "Pick one, it's your body, your choice, it's not up to me". :shrug:

It's a "nicer" way to say you are okay with abortion because you're not taking a stand against it. For those who don't like controversy or confrontation for their beliefs they use this term.

They are hiding behind the glorified way of saying they believe in abortion because they're coming out completely saying "Do it, I support you, I'm Pro-Abortion".

For Vrai, she isn't ashame to admit she believes in it completely so she gives it the title it is Pro-Abortion which is the opposite of Pro-LIfe.

Just like parents. Some are ok with underage sex and put their children on birth control and buy them condoms (Pro-Abortion).

Other parents are completely against it and will fight to instill this belief in their children. (Pro-Life)

Then you have those parents who are aware it's happening but not dealing with it and don't want to so the children are making the decision (Pro-Choice).

The in-between option is merely existing because the issue isn't being dealt with. It's like silence...

If we remove the option that BOTH Pro-Life and Pro-Choice people believe in which is "keep the baby" we're left with the option of controversy "kill the baby".

Pro-abortion does not mean keep the baby and Pro-Life does not mean kill the baby. Pro-Choice means keep or kill and gives what really is a black and white situation some grey area or "glitter". Gets the person not choosing a side off the hook. Which in any disagreement among 3 where two are opposing and the 3rd is needed to settle the argument and the 3rd person says "I don't know, you, person 1 could be right, but you person 2 is probably right too. I can't really say". Basically giving the YES person power to move forward because the challenging NO person who brought the 3rd person in didn't get the leverage they needed to settle.

The only way I can see Pro-Abortion not meaning the same as Pro-Choice is if people who are Pro-Abortion don't want anymore babies born on the earth ever again. If it Pro-Abortion means "A woman should be able to do whatever she wants because it's her body including having an abortion and I support her" then it's the same as Pro-Choice. Right?

I am for the right to an obtain abortion but if you choose not to do that, it's your choice. That's why I say pro-choice. I see the 2 sides as anti-choice and pro-choice. What is black and white in one's mind is not that way in anothers mind.

Of course we veered off topic

 

[Cowgirl]

I am for the right to an obtain abortion but if you choose not to do that, it's your choice. That's why I say pro-choice. I see the 2 sides as anti-choice and pro-choice. What is black and white in one's mind is not that way in anothers mind.

Of course we veered off topic

Eggzactly!!!

I see it this way:

Pro-choice=one has the abililty to make the decision that's best for one's situation. I may not necessariily agree with the decision to abort, but it's not MY place to decide what's best for someone else.

Pro-Abortion= Yes, I want/agree with abortions.

Pro-Life/Anti-Choice= I don't care what's best for the other person. I say it's wrong, so abortion should be illegal.

 

[vraiblonde]

I see the 2 sides as anti-choice and pro-choice.

And I see them as pro-abortion and anti-abortion. :shrug:

It's kind of like the death penalty: you're either for it or against it and nobody says they're pro-choice when it comes to capital punishment. And even if you're for it, you don't support some schmo walking down the street being lethal injected; you support it in certain circumstances (violent crime, habitual criminal, random stupidity, whatever).

That's my stance on abortion - I support abortion in certain circumstances but not for every baby. Just like there are people who are pro-abortion in the first trimester, but are vehemently opposed to partial-birth abortion.

 

[Cowgirl]

It's kind of like the death penalty: you're either for it or against it and nobody says they're pro-choice when it comes to capital punishment.

Yes, it can be viewed as pro-choice. You're for the judge/jury having the choice of whether or not to sentence the death penalty.

 

[Vince]

And I see them as pro-abortion and anti-abortion. :shrug:

It's kind of like the death penalty: you're either for it or against it and nobody says they're pro-choice when it comes to capital punishment. And even if you're for it, you don't support some schmo walking down the street being lethal injected; you support it in certain circumstances (violent crime, habitual criminal, random stupidity, whatever).

That's my stance on abortion - I support abortion in certain circumstances but not for every baby. Just like there are people who are pro-abortion in the first trimester, but are vehemently opposed to partial-birth abortion.

Don't really see abortion fitting into this with the exception of Vrai's "retroactive abortion" statement....anyway, this is where our judicial system should be shortened. Quicky trial, yep he's guilty. No doubt and no extenuating circumstances. Death sentence and carry it out immediately. One less POS in the world that can kill another child. :shrug: Works for me.

 

[vraiblonde]

Yes, it can be viewed as pro-choice. You're for the judge/jury having the choice of whether or not to sentence the death penalty.

Actually, no. I would prefer that some standard criteria would determine capital punishment rather than a bunch of flighty jurists.

 

[LexiGirl75]

Eggzactly!!!

I see it this way:

Pro-choice=one has the abililty to make the decision that's best for one's situation. I may not necessariily agree with the decision to abort, but it's not MY place to decide what's best for someone else.

Pro-Abortion= Yes, I want/agree with abortions.

Pro-Life/Anti-Choice= I don't care what's best for the other person. I say it's wrong, so abortion should be illegal.

Glitterizing your preference by choosing this standing. If you don't agree with it, you don't agree with it. If you do you do. Everyone has the choice whethere they do it legally or illegally. No support needed.

The support is needed for those who want it to be able to be done and for those who don't want it to be done. That's the argument. To do or not to do.. that is the question.

 

[Cowgirl]

Glitterizing your preference by choosing this standing. If you don't agree with it, you don't agree with it. If you do you do. Everyone has the choice whethere they do it legally or illegally. No support needed.

The support is needed for those who want it to be able to be done and for those who don't want it to be done. That's the argument. To do or not to do.. that is the question.

Just because I may not agree with it does not give me the right to prevent others from doing it.





And what the heck does "glitterizing" mean? Did you make that up?

 

[MMDad]

Don't really see abortion fitting into this with the exception of Vrai's "retroactive abortion" statement....anyway, this is where our judicial system should be shortened. Quicky trial, yep he's guilty. No doubt and no extenuating circumstances. Death sentence and carry it out immediately. One less POS in the world that can kill another child. :shrug: Works for me.

Right off the bridge he threw the kids off. It wasn't too cruel for him to do it to his kids, so it wouldn't be "cruel and unusual" to off him the same way.

 

[Dedee]

Eggzactly!!!

I see it this way:

Pro-choice=one has the abililty to make the decision that's best for one's situation. I may not necessariily agree with the decision to abort, but it's not MY place to decide what's best for someone else.

Pro-Abortion= Yes, I want/agree with abortions.

Pro-Life/Anti-Choice= I don't care what's best for the other person. I say it's wrong, so abortion should be illegal.

Pro-choice - before conception......it's not MY place to decide what's best for someone else....after conception there is more than one life involved....I don't think anyone can tell what the future holds so why should anyone have the right to end another persons's life?

 

[vraiblonde]

And what the heck does "glitterizing" mean? Did you make that up?

Glitterizing. Shining it up to make it more attractive and palatable. Polishing the turd.

 

[Cowgirl]

Glitterizing. Shining it up to make it more attractive and palatable. Polishing the turd.

I still don't understand how you two don't see the difference between the two.

 

[vraiblonde]

I still don't understand how you two don't see the difference between the two.

Then we're even because I don't see how you do see a difference.