Desperatly seeking help to save Dallas

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sinwagon

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Ok, I may catch some heat for this but OH WELL! I have never seen a more self righteous bunch of people in my life than in these forums. While I agree about people being entitled to their opinion the fact that people have absolutely no compasion or understanding of how things are is amazing to me.

The richest people in the world must be members of this forum! Someone has issues paying their bills, they are put down, they cant afford a surgery for their pet, they are put down. Good grief, sometimes things happen that are beyond our control and at the worst possible time!

I get my dogs their shots but if there was something horrible that happened to them, I do not know how I would pay for it if the price was extreme. Does this mean I don't love my dogs? NO! Does this mean I wouldn't do everything in my power to save them NO! I would just about write them a bad check to save my dog (not that I thankfully have had to do that!)

Anyway, the pet insurance does not pay for crap. It mainly pays for injuries but not something that could maybe happend to the dog.

My boss' had a dog that ate a pair of pantyhose and it was twisted in his intestine. The surgery was over $7000! While he had the money to pay it, I could not help but wonder if something as inocent as my puppy eating something he found in my house how in the world would I pay a bill like that! I couldn't without causing severe hardships for my family.

So there are things that can happen that are out of our control and that we possibly could not afford. I am sure that most people see putting the dog down as a last resort and while the vaccine may have been $2.50 ALOT of people do not know about lepto and to cure the illness is much more costly. The person I knew spent over $3000.

So thankfully all of your rich people out there will be able to cure your dogs! You don't know how many well to do people I know who do not even give their dogs their shots, spend time with them or keep them on heart worm medication so what is worst, the poor people who love their dog and cant afford to treat a major medical issue or the people who can afford it but choose to ignore normal routine visits and care?
 
baileydog

baileydog

I wanna be a SMIB
PRESS RELEASE: Dallas has left the hospital and is in the hands of the MAGSR. It turned out that she had some sort of food poisening from heating raw hamburger. I had not been made aware of the hamburger. She apparantly had eaten it almost a week before it made her sick. But she is better now and hopefully will live a long and happy life.
 
baileydog

baileydog

I wanna be a SMIB
Isnt she just the cutest thing. She is a great dog. loves everyone. But beware, she HATES cats. I know if she had caught one of mine, she probably would have killed it. That is why she doesnt live with me.
 
Ponytail

Ponytail

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So, she got sick from eating raw burger. I'm guessing the treatment was cheaper. Could the previous owners re-claim her and pay the bills now?

She is a gorgeous animal!
 
baileydog

baileydog

I wanna be a SMIB
no she already signed her over. The bill was still too high for her to pay because they ran a million tests to rule out everything else.
 
cattitude

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
Ponytail said:
That does suck. Hopefully she'll go to a good home.
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MAGSR is a great organization and that's why I recommended them. They do very thorough research before placing their dogs. She is not up for adoption yet, she will go to a foster home to recover and be evaluated. She was a very sick dog.
 
Ponytail

Ponytail

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pixiegirl said:
Getting sick from raw hamburger? Dogs are built to eat raw meat. :confused:
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Domesticated animals are NOT "built" to eat raw meat. The raw proteins do HORRIBLE things to a dogs system. Some handle it better than others, but it's generally dangerous for a dog to consume raw meat.

For similar reasons, when changing a dogs diet, you're supposed to do it gradually to let their system adjust. For a dog on a strict dog food only diet, as most dogs are, for them to get ahold of raw beef, is a HUGE boo-boo.
 
baileydog

baileydog

I wanna be a SMIB
My friend said she never gave Dallas table scraps. So her system wasnt used to people food cooked or not. And there are 5 people in her family so I cant say how much raw burger she ate. It was on the counter one min and gone the next.
 
pixiegirl

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
Ponytail said:
Domesticated animals are NOT "built" to eat raw meat. The raw proteins do HORRIBLE things to a dogs system. Some handle it better than others, but it's generally dangerous for a dog to consume raw meat.

For similar reasons, when changing a dogs diet, you're supposed to do it gradually to let their system adjust. For a dog on a strict dog food only diet, as most dogs are, for them to get ahold of raw beef, is a HUGE boo-boo.
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I totally disagree. Domesticated or not they are still designed to be raw meat eaters. Do a google search on BARF. I have never had a dog that I wouldn't give raw meat to and have never had an animal get sick from it.
 
Ponytail

Ponytail

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pixiegirl said:
I totally disagree. Domesticated or not they are still designed to be raw meat eaters. Do a google search on BARF. I have never had a dog that I wouldn't give raw meat to and have never had an animal get sick from it.
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I prefer to listen to my veterinarian, not a website titled "BARF".

But, in an effort to put a quick end to this arguement... "Yes Pixie, you are right." :eyebrow:
 
Ponytail

Ponytail

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Taken from http://www.vetinfo.com/drawmeat.html

I am not aware of any proven benefits of raw meat over cooked meat in
home-made diets. The safest course of action would probably be to cook the
meat to eliminate toxoplasmosis, salmonellosis and E. coli infections. These
are probably the most common food borne diseases that affect dogs when they
are fed raw meat, although other problems are reported.

I see little to no value in an argument such as "we all know canids have eaten raw meat for millions of years". If pet owners were willing to accept mortality rates similar to wild canines for their pets there would be a lot fewer long term disorders of any type, not just food related ones. The average lifespan of a wild canid is very short compared to that of a pet dog and the same is true of feral felines. We deal with many of the problems of aging in pets because of the success of pet foods and improved health care. They don't live in a natural situation and for the most part they are probably better off because of that.

I am not sure that the main objection among veterinarians to raw meat is simply bacterial infections. Toxoplasmosis occurs in approximately 1% of the beef sold in the United States, making parasitic infections a significant concern as well. Other parasitic infections are also possible.

campylobacteriosis : vomiting, hemorrhagic or watery diarrhea, fever, clinical course of 5 to 15 days, may be a complicating factor in parvovirus infections, asymptomatic carrier state is common

salmonellosis: vomiting and/or diarrhea, fever, lethargy, abdominal pain. In some instances, abortion or central nervous system signs or death

E. coli: currently considered to be less of a problem in pets than in humans. Similar signs to salmonellosis (from R. Remillard on the Veterinary Information Network, 1-800-700-4636).

Cryptosporidiosis: (protozoan), primarily affects cats, causes diarrhea, weight loss, loss of appetite, dehydration. May be a cause of inflammatory bowel disease in dogs.

Toxoplasmosis: (protozoan), stillbirth, abortion, severe systemic illness in newborns, fever, eye damage, muscle pain, depression, weight loss, poor appetite, cough, respiratory distress, seizures or other CNS signs.

Evidence for the risk of feeding raw human-grade meat must be inferred from studies in humans because of the inability to track animal cases. There are numerous cases of well defined, well tracked food poisonings from raw or undercooked meat in the U.S. Perhaps pets are less susceptible to infection from these meat sources but that is not really very likely. If several people die from undercooked hamburgers in Wisconsin, it is pretty likely that a pet or two was affected as well.
 
pixiegirl

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
Ponytail said:
I prefer to listen to my veterinarian, not a website titled "BARF".

But, in an effort to put a quick end to this arguement... "Yes Pixie, you are right." :eyebrow:
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Since I learned about barfing from a vet.... :rolleyes:

and :buttkick:
 
persimmoncf

persimmoncf

Persimmon Creek Farm
Chasey_Lane said:
Which is probably why I don't have a Pug right now. I don't want to go through the baby stage. :lol:
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Chasey Lane are you in the market for a "Pug - Free to good home".

My 10yo son has been on me about one his friend has. His words were "if we dont take it, then it will be sent to the pound." It is very small and very cute, but I have 17 horses (4 that I own) 3 yorkies, 1 Golden, 2 cats, 2 ferrets, 1 potbelly pig, and 2 kids. Like I have time for 1 more. NOT!

Let me know if you want info...I believe he is like 1 year old, I dont know...something like that. Oh and supposably the other dogs are mean to it and thats why he must go.
 
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