Do we deserve our military?

[Xaquin44]

...and real, real patronizing; here goes;

Saddam and his government were the ones in violation and in trouble. It took a long time for them to be in trouble with the UN and for it to be acceptable in the world community for them to be treated, thought of and talked about as bad folks. If they sent weapons/components/scientists/rolls of aluminum foil or firecrackers to another nation the whole process has to start over.

Further, if Usama picks up a nuke in Mosul and moves to Damascus with it, there may be a bit more of a case for action. Saddam, as you may recall, stayed in Iraq. He is no longer a threat to anyone.

If it raised such a ruckus in the US on our political left to go fight when all the i's have been dotted and t's crossed, how in the heck are we supposed to just go after a truck load of parts and manuals in another nation?

I'll type slow and patronizing too I guess.

If they were such a huge threat in one country, why are they ok now?

We went after them in Iraq .... now they are over there. They haven't changed, only their location.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

 

[vraiblonde]

"I was going to have a few comments about John Edwards but you have to go into rehab if you use the word ######"

she didn't say that?

So what? Is that worse than Leftists calling our President "Hitler"? You don't seem particularly exercised over *that*.

 

[Xaquin44]

What is incorrect about that statement?

because I suppose I'd be labeled liberal (though I don't really wear a label) and none of that applies to me. Simillarly, many people I know would have the same said for them.

 

[Larry Gude]

Back to moral...

the republican said says the same kind of drivel about different things.

B F D!

it's politics .... everyone cries like a 3rd grader about everything the other side does.

and if you think your side is exempt, then you haven't taken a good hard look at your side.

...equivalency?

Remember Loral Corporation and certain products they wanted to export? Remember the defense department nixing the deal? Remember authority being shifted over to commerce? Remember $600,000 going to the DNC from Loral? Remember the missile guidance parts then moving from Loral to the People's Republic of China?

Ring any bells? Any recollection of who was POTUS at the time?

Now, this is the same as Halliburton 'over charging' for gas, right?

FWIW, I lost my mind when W wanted to sell port security to a foreign nation. Same with immigration policy. Lack of action on Social Security. The Medicaid program. The DHS. TSA...

That's still not the rank corruption of the Clinton Whitehouse.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

So what? Is that worse than Leftists calling our President "Hitler"? You don't seem particularly exercised over *that*.

Vrai, is it time to get 10 more names to add to the unAmerican liberal list. Actually, only 7. I took care of 13 for you.

 

[vraiblonde]

The fact of "1988" is on my side. Or did he gas some more Kurds in 2001, and it just never made the news?

You're right, Kerad. He probably just used WMD that one little time, and then dismantled his whole operation. I mean, he didn't need a weapons program anymore, right? He'd already gassed the Kurds, so what would be the point of keeping it going or building on it?

 

[Xaquin44]

t. Larry

yeah .... you're proving my point. One isn't any better then the other.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ok...

I'll type slow and patronizing too I guess.

If they were such a huge threat in one country, why are they ok now?

We went after them in Iraq .... now they are over there. They haven't changed, only their location.

...this is a waste of one another's time. The weapons are not the issue. We have WMD. Who possesses them is this issue. Saddam no longer posses them. Syria MAY have parts. They MAY have scientists. They MAY have super secret drawings and decoder rings as may Iran or Saudi or Jordan.

This isn't working for you, is it?

Sorry.

Have a happy new years eve.

 

[Larry Gude]

Guffaw...

t. Larry

yeah .... you're proving my point. One isn't any better then the other.

....OK.

 

[Xaquin44]

...this is a waste of one another's time. The weapons are not the issue. We have WMD. Who possesses them is this issue. Saddam no longer posses them. Syria MAY have parts. They MAY have scientists. They MAY have super secret drawings and decoder rings as may Iran or Saudi or Jordan.

This isn't working for you, is it?

Sorry.

Have a happy new years eve.

I'd assume that the Iraqies (sp?) didn't just toss them over there right? That's kind of poor military strategy. Presumably they'd have given them to people with similar goals.

Have a good new years eve too =)

 

[vraiblonde]

none of that applies to me.

I disagree.

 

[Xaquin44]

I disagree.

you're wrong.

 

[Larry Gude]

Let me go get...

I'd assume that the Iraqies (sp?) didn't just toss them over there right? That's kind of poor military strategy. Presumably they'd have given them to people with similar goals.

Have a good new years eve too =)

...a beer first if you're going to talk about Iraq and sound military strategy?

 

[Xaquin44]

...a beer first if you're going to talk about Iraq and sound military strategy?

hahaha

granted.

I don't think anyone on anyside has handled it particularly right.

 

[vraiblonde]

you're wrong.

No. You just disagree with my disagreement.

 

[vraiblonde]

I don't think anyone on anyside has handled it particularly right.

THAT, I agree with. If you're going to fight a war, fight the friggin' war and tell the candy asses to shut the hell up with their puling and crying over "torture".

 

[Xaquin44]

No. You just disagree with my disagreement.

because you're wrong.

look, I'm pretty sure I know what applies to me. Just because you say some random quote pegging everyone not in ann coulters favor as one thing, doesn't make it true.

 

[Xaquin44]

THAT, I agree with. If you're going to fight a war, fight the friggin' war and tell the candy asses to shut the hell up with their puling and crying over "torture".

agreed.

 

[Larry Gude]

I agree...

hahaha

granted.

I don't think anyone on anyside has handled it particularly right.

...Bush as CIC, has screwed the pooch on how wars are fought and won from day 1. Day 1 when he let Turkey hose us over coming down from the North. Rumsfeld and Cheney failed him if they didn't strenuously object to going ahead anyway.

The problem boils down to doing nothing, the Clinton way, as global will drifts away and Saddam stays in power and stays a threat to the region, most logically and most likely secretly redeveloping WMD programs or putting an end to it.

It is sickening that so many US troops have been killed and mangled in an operation where we had to CHOOSE to let them suffer losses rather than inflict losses and get on with the killing and breaking. That's all the surge is; increased killing and breaking and, like the Vietnamese, the last insurgency we faced, when you kill them and break them, they wanna stop. When you negotiated they find the will to fight.