Do we deserve our military?

vraiblonde

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well if you're shut down every single time ....

or again, I ask, is that just an exagguration?

It's not every single time, but it's often enough that there's an obvious problem. Again, these folks - Coulter, Horowitz, etc - are INVITED to speak. Paid, even. They don't just show up and start talking.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
You probably think...

Well if we knew where they were then why not follow them?

If we know they're in syria why not attack?

we went to one country for them. Why go "ehhh they still exist but .... eh .... I guess it's ok"?

...guns kill people, don't you?

The weapons themselves are inanimate objects. There is a difference depending on who possesses them. Is Syria the same as Saddam? No. Iran? No. Have we been at war for 12 years with them? No. Are there UN resolutions against them? No. Have they been subject to 12 years of inspections they've been dodging? No.

What is so difficult about this?
 

vraiblonde

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because every democrat does these things?

No, not EVERY Democrat. But enough that they have created a stereotype for the whole group. Plus, I don't notice the party leadership denouncing that sort of behavior. In fact, the disrupting punks are only parroting what they've heard their leaders say in the first place.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
...we went to war against Iraq in 1991 out of honor to a treaty with Kuwait and with the blessings of everyone in the region. As a condition of a CEASE FIRE, not an end to the war but a time out, Iraq agreed to certain, specific conditions.

Iraq went about bending and circumventing and in some cases flat out ignoring these agreements. Even the freaking UN agrees to that.

Iraq had mostly but not completely complied with UN inspectors. Iraq had numerous instances where it seemed readily evident to everyone that the building blocks of restarting weapons programs were being hidden.

Iraq had but to simply comply and the basis for any more pressure on them vaporizes.

We, as a nation, actually have a debate among us over who is worse, a dictator or a duly elected US president. We actually have arguments over whose fault it was; a leadership fully capable of complying with UN resolutions that they had agreed to and chose NOT to or a duly elected sitting US president who decided the time for screwing around had come to an end.

Dean and Kucinich and a good portion of the US left sees Bush as the enemy and can not in thought word or deed bring themselves to call either Saddam or Usama an enemy of the US or anyone else for that matter. Hillary and Obama and Edwards and Pelosi have not broken a sweat defending our own institutions against this sort of intellectual retardation.

That's just the way it is. It makes it damn tough to hold accountable a president suffering from excess exuberance and hubris when the alternative is the mentally ill.

Don't get me wrong, I'm for the war, and yes he did have the weapons, but in the interest of accuracy, you cannot say he has them now because he gassed someone 15 years ago.
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

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She would be questioned on things that would make her uncomfortable, that is for certain. But assaulted and shouted down? No.
My biggest problem with Hillary is she DOESN'T answer questions from real people.

When she does, it's a politicians speech. She doesn't answer the question and even most of the talking heads aren't clear on her positions on anything except healthcare.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
No, not EVERY Democrat. But enough that they have created a stereotype for the whole group. Plus, I don't notice the party leadership denouncing that sort of behavior. In fact, the disrupting punks are only parroting what they've heard their leaders say in the first place.

I don't see any Republican denouncing Anee Coulter. She's just as much if not more disgusting.
 

Xaquin44

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...guns kill people, don't you?

The weapons themselves are inanimate objects. There is a difference depending on who possesses them. Is Syria the same as Saddam? No. Iran? No. Have we been at war for 12 years with them? No. Are there UN resolutions against them? No. Have they been subject to 12 years of inspections they've been dodging? No.

What is so difficult about this?

actually, I don't believe guns kill people. I own 4 myself, but hey who is counting.

The location shouldn't matter if they were made by and controlled by the same people. What does it matter if a terrorist has a nuke and moves it across a boarder? He still has it. The intent is there right?
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

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No, not EVERY Democrat. But enough that they have created a stereotype for the whole group. Plus, I don't notice the party leadership denouncing that sort of behavior. In fact, the disrupting punks are only parroting what they've heard their leaders say in the first place.
:yeahthat:
 

vraiblonde

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So what?

And once again, a discussion with Lefties has turned into stupidity about Easter Bunnies and all or nothing.

This is what you all do when you don't have facts on your side. And it's rare that the facts are on your side.
 

Xaquin44

New Member
No, not EVERY Democrat. But enough that they have created a stereotype for the whole group. Plus, I don't notice the party leadership denouncing that sort of behavior. In fact, the disrupting punks are only parroting what they've heard their leaders say in the first place.

hmmmm oh, like some republicans do as well.
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

New Member
So what?

And once again, a discussion with Lefties has turned into stupidity about Easter Bunnies and all or nothing.

This is what you all do when you don't have facts on your side. And it's rare that the facts are on your side.
BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :roflmao:

As Wally would say, "Ooooh, I saw it coming!" :lmao:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Ok...

Don't get me wrong, I'm for the war, and yes he did have the weapons, but in the interest of accuracy, you cannot say he has them now because he gassed someone 15 years ago.

...fair enough. Having said that, what are you supposed to say to people who say the GOP stole the election? That say Dick Cheney started the war so Halliburton could make a few bucks? That say the war was illegal? People who say they voted for it before they voted against it? People who call military leaders liars and partisan hacks?

How much of an intellectual effort is supposed to go into a reply to people who see evil when they see George W. Bush and see just some poor misunderstood dictator or psycho when they see Saddam and Usama?

If nothing else, it is true he gassed people. I mean, one of the favorite lines of the left, said with a straight face, is that there no WMD's and Don Rumsfeld gave them to them.

How do we debate choosing leaders when one side thinks that way?
 
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