This_person
Well-Known Member
It would appear I'm not the only one who thinks this of you, Shortbus.
JPC sr
James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.
The Bible never really says that we have a free will, and I find that most people act like sheep and not free-will individuals at all.
In fact claiming the "free-will" is not really very true for most people.
We can choose "chocolate" or "vanilla" or type of car but that is not really a "free will".
Like none of us had a free-will to be born, or born into a sin filled world, no free will in gender or hair color or race or place of birth.
And when parents tell their children to walk or to talk or go to school then the children have no free will choice.
So the fact that we as adults might pick and choose our spouse or house or type of car or occupation are not really my idea of free will at all.
Even sinning is not a free will choice because most people sin out of vain needs and not from evil intentions.
When God created mankind He asked for no permission, and God said He would resurrect us but we can not pick or choose not to rise.
The Judgement Day is not by invitation only buy we must go whether anyone likes it or not, and God saves His children whether they like it or not.
I do not like the idea of Hell for anyone.
And I will choose Hell for myself before serving a God that has no mercy.
And both Jesus and God does not like the "Hell" concept either link HERE again.
Even if you are claiming that you like Hell - then it is only liking it for others to burn.
If Adolf Hitler (or anyone) has been burning in Hell for some 62 years now then God would have to be a monster and a tyrant and most of all he would be a fraud because Jesus told us otherwise link HERE.
The truth is that Judgement Day will be a great day when every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess and everyone will be saved.
That is the correct interpretation and people burning in Hell was never correct.
The Bible never really says that we have a free will, and I find that most people act like sheep and not free-will individuals at all.In fact claiming the "free-will" is not really very true for most people.
We can choose "chocolate" or "vanilla" or type of car but that is not really a "free will".
Like none of us had a free-will to be born, or born into a sin filled world, no free will in gender or hair color or race or place of birth.
And when parents tell their children to walk or to talk or go to school then the children have no free will choice.
So the fact that we as adults might pick and choose our spouse or house or type of car or occupation are not really my idea of free will at all.
Even sinning is not a free will choice because most people sin out of vain needs and not from evil intentions.
When God created mankind He asked for no permission, and God said He would resurrect us but we can not pick or choose not to rise.
The Judgement Day is not by invitation only buy we must go whether anyone likes it or not, and God saves His children whether they like it or not.
~mellabella~ said:
I do not like the idea of Hell for anyone.And I will choose Hell for myself before serving a God that has no mercy.
And both Jesus and God does not like the "Hell" concept either link HERE again.
Even if you are claiming that you like Hell - then it is only liking it for others to burn.
If Adolf Hitler (or anyone) has been burning in Hell for some 62 years now then God would have to be a monster and a tyrant and most of all he would be a fraud because Jesus told us otherwise link HERE.
The truth is that Judgement Day will be a great day when every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess and everyone will be saved.
That is the correct interpretation and people burning in Hell was never correct.
godsbutterfly
Free to Fly
In fact claiming the "free-will" is not really very true for most people.
We can choose "chocolate" or "vanilla" or type of car but that is not really a "free will".
Like none of us had a free-will to be born, or born into a sin filled world, no free will in gender or hair color or race or place of birth.
And when parents tell their children to walk or to talk or go to school then the children have no free will choice.
So the fact that we as adults might pick and choose our spouse or house or type of car or occupation are not really my idea of free will at all.
Even sinning is not a free will choice because most people sin out of vain needs and not from evil intentions.
When God created mankind He asked for no permission, and God said He would resurrect us but we can not pick or choose not to rise.
The Judgement Day is not by invitation only buy we must go whether anyone likes it or not, and God saves His children whether they like it or not.
And I will choose Hell for myself before serving a God that has no mercy.
And both Jesus and God does not like the "Hell" concept either link HERE again.
Even if you are claiming that you like Hell - then it is only liking it for others to burn.
If Adolf Hitler (or anyone) has been burning in Hell for some 62 years now then God would have to be a monster and a tyrant and most of all he would be a fraud because Jesus told us otherwise link HERE.
The truth is that Judgement Day will be a great day when every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess and everyone will be saved.
That is the correct interpretation and people burning in Hell was never correct.
I cannot abide your deliberate blasphemy any longer so I am out of this thread. You need serious prayer and that is the only truth that will set you free.
This_person
Well-Known Member
I believe it has been chosen for certain people. But, don't worry, Shortbus, you can stil repent and be saved.I will choose Hell for myself before serving a God that has no mercy.
I sincerely pray for you that you do.
~mellabella~
New Member
No? Look up Joshua 24:15 ...Choose you this day whom ye will serve...
sounds to me like we have a choice there!
I'm not talk about flavors, or where you were born. I'm talking about the free will that you have to believe what you want to believe. Otherwise, you'd be forced to believe the truth, but you aren't (obviously).
Even sinning is not a free will choice because most people sin out of vain needs and not from evil intentions.
When God created mankind He asked for no permission, and God said He would resurrect us but we can not pick or choose not to rise.
The Judgement Day is not by invitation only buy we must go whether anyone likes it or not, and God saves His children whether they like it or not.
Vain needs ARE evil intentions! It's selfish, self centered, and against the Will of God. Otherwise it wouldn't be called *gasp* SINNING!!!!
And God will not force you to be saved.
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved..." (Acts 16:31)
"To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins." (Acts 10:43)
That tells me you have to do your part too, not just get a free ride.
And I will choose Hell for myself before serving a God that has no mercy.
And both Jesus and God does not like the "Hell" concept either link HERE again.
Even if you are claiming that you like Hell - then it is only liking it for others to burn.
If Adolf Hitler (or anyone) has been burning in Hell for some 62 years now then God would have to be a monster and a tyrant and most of all he would be a fraud because Jesus told us otherwise link HERE.
The truth is that Judgement Day will be a great day when every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess and everyone will be saved.
That is the correct interpretation and people burning in Hell was never correct.
You'll choose Hell before serving an unmerciful God. Hmmm, how can you do this when you say Hell does not exist? Contradicting yourself there.
God doesn't want his children to go to Hell, but once again, its OUR decision.
And no cupcake, I don't like burning in Hell. Who would say something so ignorant?
You make me very sad JPC, my heart aches for you.
JPC sr
James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.
Having choices is not the same as free will.
Since there is a threat of violence.
Either serve that God or burn in Hell is a threat of violence.
Same as a person with a gun demanding your money, then the choice is give the money or get shot, so that is not a free will. I agree with all this part.
It is just saying to be saved from sin and not from Hell.
Having choices is not the same as free will.Since there is a threat of violence.
Either serve that God or burn in Hell is a threat of violence.
Same as a person with a gun demanding your money, then the choice is give the money or get shot, so that is not a free will.
~mellabella~ said:
I agree with all this part. It is just saying to be saved from sin and not from Hell.
but 2A went there and caused trouble for me at that church so I had to stop going there.
I still like the Church there and the Pastor (and his family) are very respected by me.
I didn't cause trouble for you. You caused your own trouble. I was true to this scripture.
- Private -> I PMed you and told you were wrong about what you are teaching.
- One or two with you -> I printed and showed the pastors some of your teachings from this forum. The pastor came with me to you in the congregation after the service to tell you what your are teaching is wrong.
- If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church -> You continue in your false teaching and the pastors, both of them, on two separate occasions told you from the pulpit that not everyone is saved.
Until you start seeing yourself as the source of your problems, you will never be able to overcome them.
then to live in Heaven with an un-merciful God.
God is merciful, ... on His terms, not yours.
godsbutterfly
Free to Fly
I had already seen what you had posted about this previously so I thought this was the same church he was talking about.
Resorting to name calling.
I agree with the whole Bible, not what I pick and choose. If I find scripture that is not in line with what I believe, it is not the Bible that is wrong. It is me that is wrong, and it is me that must change.
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
Isn't this thread about Charles Stanley??? Why is JPC getting THESE SAME THINGS TOLD TO HIM AGAIN???
No pews there. Chairs.
godsbutterfly
Free to Fly
Isn't this thread about Charles Stanley??? Why is JPC getting THESE SAME THINGS TOLD TO HIM AGAIN???
Because he mentioned that Dr. Stanley didn't believe in everybody getting saved and it went on from there with new people as well as old players.
It simply does not wotk both ways.
We can not have a "merciful God" and "love thy enemies" with sinners burning in a Hell at the same time.
This is why people say there are contradictions in Christianity because Jesus said one way (love and charity) while Christians preach pain and violence.
And if it is a matter of choice then I will burn with my fellow sinners before bowing to a tyrant God.
Here is the Bible truth link HERE and do you not suppose He would rain on us in Hell too? as Christ said.
You are wrong again ... and again ... and again.
Every knee shall bow. You have posted that yourself. Every knee shall bow even if that knee and the rest of the body it is attached to is headed to the lake of fire.
JPC, you are showing arrogance towards God.
Personal responsibility is another thing JPC does not believe in. If he did, he would have supported his son.
In fact claiming the "free-will" is not really very true for most people.
We can choose "chocolate" or "vanilla" or type of car but that is not really a "free will".
Like none of us had a free-will to be born, or born into a sin filled world, no free will in gender or hair color or race or place of birth.
And when parents tell their children to walk or to talk or go to school then the children have no free will choice.
So the fact that we as adults might pick and choose our spouse or house or type of car or occupation are not really my idea of free will at all.
Even sinning is not a free will choice because most people sin out of vain needs and not from evil intentions.
When God created mankind He asked for no permission, and God said He would resurrect us but we can not pick or choose not to rise.
The Judgement Day is not by invitation only buy we must go whether anyone likes it or not, and God saves His children whether they like it or not.
And I will choose Hell for myself before serving a God that has no mercy.
And both Jesus and God does not like the "Hell" concept either link HERE again.
Even if you are claiming that you like Hell - then it is only liking it for others to burn.
If Adolf Hitler (or anyone) has been burning in Hell for some 62 years now then God would have to be a monster and a tyrant and most of all he would be a fraud because Jesus told us otherwise link HERE.
The truth is that Judgement Day will be a great day when every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess and everyone will be saved.
That is the correct interpretation and people burning in Hell was never correct.
Oops. Missed it again.
Yes. I know this is not about using free will to follow God, but it does specifically state "free will" and it is stated by Paul, so Paul believed people have free will.
The Bible is teaming with "choice", "choose", "decide" and like concepts.
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JPC sr
James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.
Not,
my arrogance is torward your hate filled mis-interpretations. I looked up your "Quote" and it does not quite quote as you boast link HERE.
In fact 2A quoted the text falsely indeed.
What I said was not only correct but mine have links on every text.
No where does the Bible give mankind a free will.
Not,my arrogance is torward your hate filled mis-interpretations.
2ndAmendment said:
I looked up your "Quote" and it does not quite quote as you boast link HERE.In fact 2A quoted the text falsely indeed.
What I said was not only correct but mine have links on every text.
No where does the Bible give mankind a free will.
godsbutterfly
Free to Fly
my arrogance is torward your hate filled mis-interpretations.
In fact 2A quoted the text falsely indeed.
What I said was not only correct but mine have links on every text.
No where does the Bible give mankind a free will.
AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION OF THE HOLY BIBLE 1901
1Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus, and Timothy our brother, to Philemon our beloved and fellow-worker, 2and to Apphia our sister, and to Archippus our fellow-soldier, and to the church in thy house: 3Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 4I thank my God always, making mention of thee in my prayers, 5hearing of thy love, and of the faith which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all the saints; 6that the fellowship of thy faith may become effectual, in the knowledge of every good thing which is in you, unto Christ. 7For I had much joy and comfort in thy love, because the hearts of the saints have been refreshed through thee, brother. 8Wherefore, though I have all boldness in Christ to enjoin thee that which is befitting, 9yet for love's sake I rather beseech, being such a one as Paul the aged, and now a prisoner also of Christ Jesus: 10I beseech thee for my child, whom I have begotten in my bonds, Onesimus, 11who once was unprofitable to thee, but now is profitable to thee and to me: 12whom I have sent back to thee in his own person, that is, my very heart: 13whom I would fain have kept with me, that in thy behalf he might minister unto me in the bonds of the gospel: 14but without thy mind I would do nothing; that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.
Oh yes it does!
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JPC sr
James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.
So it is link HERE in that one Bible interpretation and no where else.
BUT, if anyone looks back to the beginning of this discussion about "free will" then I said having free will is not true for most people link HERE.
I do agree that some few people in this world will exercize a free-will but not many.
Like Jesus had a free will and the people crucified Him in an attempt to brake His will.
Most people in this world are like sheep that do as they are told. Even sheep to the slaughter.
The Bible tells that the gov orders the sheep because the people chose to have gov instead of God's freedom link HERE 1 Samual 8.
And the Bible tells us that Satan rules in the gov and gives gov power to Satan's servants link HERE.
And the Bible tells us that there are deamons in this world that control people link HERE.
So claiming that every person has a free-will to chose Heaven and avoid the tortures of Hell is not a message from the Bible.
AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION OF THE HOLY BIBLE 1901 14but without thy mind I would do nothing; that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.
Oh yes it does!
So it is link HERE in that one Bible interpretation and no where else.BUT, if anyone looks back to the beginning of this discussion about "free will" then I said having free will is not true for most people link HERE.
I do agree that some few people in this world will exercize a free-will but not many.
Like Jesus had a free will and the people crucified Him in an attempt to brake His will.
Most people in this world are like sheep that do as they are told. Even sheep to the slaughter.
The Bible tells that the gov orders the sheep because the people chose to have gov instead of God's freedom link HERE 1 Samual 8.
And the Bible tells us that Satan rules in the gov and gives gov power to Satan's servants link HERE.
And the Bible tells us that there are deamons in this world that control people link HERE.
So claiming that every person has a free-will to chose Heaven and avoid the tortures of Hell is not a message from the Bible.
JPC sr
James P. Cusick Sr.
The truth will set us all free.
I said Jesus had a "free will" but I might have been mistaken there.
Jesus supressed His own will to obey the father link HERE.
And God can not lie or else God would die from the sin link HERE.
The scriptures put hard restrictions onto people as in "do this" and "shall not" and we are to discipline ourselves and not to act under any free will.
It seems that "free-will" ONLY applies to those that choose to sin, and even those do get punished for their sins as we reap whatever we sow link HERE.
So to truly exercize a free-will in this world then one must be willing to accept the punishment - like spray painting the Court House and then go to jail.
Of course in this world we still get to choose chocolate or vanilla, Ford or Chevy, from our human free will.
Like Jesus had a free will and the people crucified Him in an attempt to brake His will.
I said Jesus had a "free will" but I might have been mistaken there.Jesus supressed His own will to obey the father link HERE.
And God can not lie or else God would die from the sin link HERE.
The scriptures put hard restrictions onto people as in "do this" and "shall not" and we are to discipline ourselves and not to act under any free will.
It seems that "free-will" ONLY applies to those that choose to sin, and even those do get punished for their sins as we reap whatever we sow link HERE.
So to truly exercize a free-will in this world then one must be willing to accept the punishment - like spray painting the Court House and then go to jail.
Of course in this world we still get to choose chocolate or vanilla, Ford or Chevy, from our human free will.