Dugger vs Dunham

[GURPS]

That's not odd at all.

So sorry, Josh Duggar, you are NOT the biggest hypocrite ever. Political party zealots have you beat by a mile.

no body said anything about the Kennedy's

but Ol'Teddy stood up there for Women's Rights

 

[GURPS]

I don't know the answer to that question and don't know why you are asking me. I would find them all disgusting if they are molesting children or cheating on their spouse.

it was a general statement ... on society
.... many men of the church fall to temptation and have to step down
.... as TP said this guy has an untreated addiction, like an Alcoholic or Dope user

Jimmy Swagart
James Baker

to name a couple ....

non church going types ... love to make a huge deal out of things like this
.... like because someone claims a faith, they are telling the world they sin no more

 

[GURPS]

Perhaps if he wasn't in such a sexually repressive family he wouldn't have to creep around and could just be a "playa" and live like any other frat boy.

A has nothing to do with B


plenty of Good Kids from Good Homes go on to do bad things ....

 

[tblwdc]

Every person who has cheated or wasted family resources is bad? Not that they've done bad things, but they are inherently bad?

Would you like to rethink that, or are you that judgemental?

You're right. I rethought it. A bad person is a person who lives a lie where he is cheating on his family, using family resouces to further his sexual fantasies, and has molested multiple children.

You failed to tell me what he has done which is good.

 

[Midnightrider]

What is a "bad person"? I think he's clearly done bad things. He's also done a lot of good things. Does that make him automatically a "good person"? I don't think so. I think he's a person.

The guy molested young girls, most of whom were his sisters. then he acted on his sexual desires destroying his marriage.

Every person who has cheated or wasted family resources is bad? Not that they've done bad things, but they are inherently bad?

Would you like to rethink that, or are you that judgemental?

A molester is a bad person. (period)
I guess you still aren't defending jared, right? Nope, you are wrong again. your posts say it all.

 

[This_person]

You're right. I rethought it. A bad person is a person who lives a lie where he is cheating on his family, using family resouces to further his sexual fantasies, and has molested multiple children.

You failed to tell me what he has done which is good.

And you have failed to tell me if you believe breaking the law is wrong and yet you have ever gone even 1 mph over the speed limit.

Very few people are "bad". People do good and bad things. A Duggar is no different. I strongly suspect that you are not Jesus, and therefore you do, too. This particular individual needs help. I hope he gets it.

 

[This_person]

The guy molested young girls, most of whom were his sisters. then he acted on his sexual desires destroying his marriage.

A molester is a bad person. (period)
I guess you still aren't defending jared, right? Nope, you are wrong again. your posts say it all.

Because of their strong Christian faith, I would bet his marriage isn't over. Actual Christians are not judgemental. They love the sinner while hating the sin. Josh has admitted to doing some truly bad things. We can agree on that. He's not Hitler or Khan, but he has a lot for which he needs to repent.

 

[tblwdc]

And you have failed to tell me if you believe breaking the law is wrong and yet you have ever gone even 1 mph over the speed limit.

Very few people are "bad". People do good and bad things. A Duggar is no different. I strongly suspect that you are not Jesus, and therefore you do, too. This particular individual needs help. I hope he gets it.

I do think that breaking the law is bad. I have certainly gone over the speed limit. I don't go around preaching to people that they should not speed though, therefore I am not a hypocrite.

There's your answer. I'm not talking about the Duggar family. I have tremendous respect for the father, mother and the way they live their life. If tomorrow, If found the father had committed some sort of heinous crime such as molesting children, then cheated on his wife, my respect for them would be gone.

So, what has Josh done which is good?

 

[This_person]

I do think that breaking the law is bad. I have certainly gone over the speed limit. I don't go around preaching to people that they should not speed though, therefore I am not a hypocrite.

There's your answer. I'm not talking about the Duggar family. I have tremendous respect for the father, mother and the way they live their life. If tomorrow, If found the father had committed some sort of heinous crime such as molesting children, then cheated on his wife, my respect for them would be gone.

So, what has Josh done which is good?

If you do something contrary to your morals or principles, you have acted as a hypocrite. Just because others don't know it doesn't mean that you weren't acting as a hypocrite.

I didn't say The Duggar Family. I said "a Duggar." Josh did everything his parents have that make you respect them and more. AND he's ####ed up. If you judge an entire life by one facet, one sickness, that's your choice. I am not that short-sighted or judgemental.

 

[tblwdc]

If you do something contrary to your morals or principles, you have acted as a hypocrite. Just because others don't know it doesn't mean that you weren't acting as a hypocrite.

I didn't say The Duggar Family. I said "a Duggar." Josh did everything his parents have that make you respect them and more. AND he's ####ed up. If you judge an entire life by one facet, one sickness, that's your choice. I am not that short-sighted or judgemental.

Speeding isn't contrary to my morals or principles. Just because the legislature has passed a law doesn't mean it meets my morals. There are differences. I'm sorry you can't grip that principle.

You said a Duggar. You didn't say Josh Duggar. If you are going to be intentionally vague, i'll interpret that in any fashion I choose.

I'm not judging an entire life by ONE facet. I am judging this scum bag based on molesting multiple children and cheating on his wife and children.

So are you saying if a person only molested children and cheated, you wouldn't be judgmental? Okay, that is your choice. I don't believe you, but your choice. I think if this person who did this was not of your political persuasion or of someone with opposing views as you, I believe you'd be a lot more judgmental. You are not short sighted, you are blind.

Josh did not do everything his father did. As far as we know, his father has been able to respect his children, protect his children and not bring shame on them. His father has been a member of the legislature passing laws. His father has, as far as we know been able to keep his vows and been faithful to his wife.

Still, you are incapable of telling me what good Josh Duggar has done.

 

[This_person]

Speeding isn't contrary to my morals or principles. Just because the legislature has passed a law doesn't mean it meets my morals. There are differences. I'm sorry you can't grip that principle.

Not breaking the law is a principle by which one lives. If you have that principle and violate the law, you are a hypocrite, just like 100% of the rest of the people who are not Jesus.

You said a Duggar. You didn't say Josh Duggar. If you are going to be intentionally vague, i'll interpret that in any fashion I choose.

I'm not judging an entire life by ONE facet. I am judging this scum bag based on molesting multiple children and cheating on his wife and children.

The one facet by which you are judging him is a mental health issue, sex addiction.

So are you saying if a person only molested children and cheated, you wouldn't be judgmental? Okay, that is your choice. I don't believe you, but your choice. I think if this person who did this was not of your political persuasion or of someone with opposing views as you, I believe you'd be a lot more judgmental. You are not short sighted, you are blind.

I am no more judgemental of Duggar than I am of Clinton or Martin Luther King Jr. All of those men are/were mentally ill. Their illness: sex addiction. I don't discount their good works nor diminish their bad behavior.

Josh did not do everything his father did. As far as we know, his father has been able to respect his children, protect his children and not bring shame on them. His father has been a member of the legislature passing laws. His father has, as far as we know been able to keep his vows and been faithful to his wife.

Still, you are incapable of telling me what good Josh Duggar has done.

Josh advocated publicly for faith and family. He loves and cares for his children and wife. He volunteers for and advocates for the poor and helpless. And he's a sex addict. None of these things diminish the others.

 

[Midnightrider]

Because of their strong Christian faith, I would bet his marriage isn't over. Actual Christians are not judgemental. They love the sinner while hating the sin. Josh has admitted to doing some truly bad things. We can agree on that. He's not Hitler or Khan, but he has a lot for which he needs to repent.

There aren't any 'Actual Christians' if that's your definition.

He's a molester who has cheated on his wife. And that's just what we know about, yet you keep defending him.

FOR FIFTY PAGES

 

[This_person]

There aren't any 'Actual Christians' if that's your definition.

He's a molester who has cheated on his wife. And that's just what we know about, yet you keep defending him.

FOR FIFTY PAGES

You keep using that word (defending). I'm not sure you know what it means. I've said his actions are wrong, that he is mentally ill. If you believe that to be "defending", then you need to look up the meaning of the word. I simply refuse to be so narrow as to judge him the way you are.

And, there are tens of millions of Christians who fit that description.

 

[Midnightrider]

You keep using that word (defending). I'm not sure you know what it means. I've said his actions are wrong, that he is mentally ill. If you believe that to be "defending", then you need to look up the meaning of the word. I simply refuse to be so narrow as to judge him the way you are.

And, there are tens of millions of Christians who fit that description.

No, there are not.


The thread speaks for itself

 

[This_person]

No, there are not.


The thread speaks for itself

Half right (thread speaks for itself, albeit differently than you ascribe), and half wrong (that there are no real Christians). You're post accuracy is improving.

 

[tblwdc]

Not breaking the law is a principle by which one lives. If you have that principle and violate the law, you are a hypocrite, just like 100% of the rest of the people who are not Jesus.

You don't get to decide what I feel is morally acceptable. I do. Just because some government passes a law, it doesn't mean I have to subscribe to it. There are some laws which are immoral.


The one facet by which you are judging him is a mental health issue, sex addiction.I am no more judgemental of Duggar than I am of Clinton or Martin Luther King Jr. All of those men are/were mentally ill. Their illness: sex addiction. I don't discount their good works nor diminish their bad behavior.

He is self diagnosed with PORN addiction. Not sex addiction. Get it right if you are going to say it.

Josh advocated publicly for faith and family. He loves and cares for his children and wife. He volunteers for and advocates for the poor and helpless. And he's a sex addict. None of these things diminish the others.

He's not a sex addict. He lies about faith and family. His actions diminish his words.

 

[This_person]

You don't get to decide what I feel is morally acceptable. I do. Just because some government passes a law, it doesn't mean I have to subscribe to it. There are some laws which are immoral.

I never once tried to do so. I asked you and your answer is that violating the law is against your principles. Now you're suggesting that speed limits are immoral? Either way, your principle, as you defined, is to not break the law. Your actions, as you reported, is to violate the law by speeding. The dictionary.com definition of hypocrite is:noun
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

You, like 100% of people who are not Jesus, act as a hypocrite. You, like probably 85% of people, think your actions are somehow different. They're not.

He is self diagnosed with PORN addiction. Not sex addiction. Get it right if you are going to say it. He's not a sex addict.

I self-diagnose as a very attractive, fit, 27 year old. The reality is that I'm a slightly over-weight man who hasn't been in my 20s for decades. His actions, reality, contradict his self-diagnosis.

He lies about faith and family. His actions diminish his words.

Or, more accurately likely, his illness diminishes his principles.

 

[tblwdc]

I never once tried to do so.

I said breaking the law is bad in relation to committing a crime in which you can go to jail. I don't do that. Josh Duggar does. It's a nice straw man argument trying to equate speeding to child molestation, but you fail.

I asked you and your answer is that violating the law is against your principles.

This is what I said; You seem to be ignoring this. Quote Originally Posted by tblwdc View Post
Speeding isn't contrary to my morals or principles. Just because the legislature has passed a law doesn't mean it meets my morals. There are differences. I'm sorry you can't grip that principle.

Now you're suggesting that speed limits are immoral?

Yes, some are. If not, why two years ago are they 55 and now the same roads are 65? Some speed limits are about revenue and not safety. That's immoral.

Either way, your principle, as you defined, is to not break the law. Your actions, as you reported, is to violate the law by speeding. The dictionary.com definition of hypocrite is:noun
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

You, like 100% of people who are not Jesus, act as a hypocrite. You, like probably 85% of people, think your actions are somehow different. They're not.I self-diagnose as a very attractive, fit, 27 year old. The reality is that I'm a slightly over-weight man who hasn't been in my 20s for decades. His actions, reality, contradict his self-diagnosis.Or, more accurately likely, his illness diminishes his principles.

This diatribe is a nice distraction for you to move away from the real issue. Josh Duggar is a scum bag child molesting cheater. You seem to be trying to cast his sins to others. Nice try, but you fail.

I'm not a hypocrite because I don't compromise my values. I don't pretend to have virtues, morals or religious beliefs, I do. Duggar's words were that he had those, but his actions were quite different. Mine are not. I would be hypocritical if I were telling others not to do something I did. You can't even understand the definition you provided.

 

[tblwdc]

His actions, reality, contradict his self-diagnosis.Or, more accurately likely, his illness diminishes his principles.

How does his PORN ADDICTION, a self diagnosed illness diminish his principles. He has no illness which makes him cheat. It's his lack of character and morals.

 

[This_person]

How does his PORN ADDICTION, a self diagnosed illness diminish his principles. He has no illness which makes him cheat. It's his lack of character and morals.

A sex addict, which is what his actions demonstrate that he is, is very much like any other addict. They do things contrary to their beliefs, their morals, their principles. A pre-treatment sex addict is not acting by choice. You should really do some research on sex addiction from reputable medical or academic sources before being so judgmental.

I recommend starting with the Mayo Clinic (http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...exual-behavior/basics/definition/con-20020126).