Dugger vs Dunham

[tblwdc]

A sex addict, which is what his actions demonstrate that he is, is very much like any other addict. They do things contrary to their beliefs, their morals, their principles. A pre-treatment sex addict is not acting by choice. You should really do some research on sex addiction from reputable medical or academic sources before being so judgmental.

I recommend starting with the Mayo Clinic (http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...exual-behavior/basics/definition/con-20020126).

Now you are just making sh*t up! LOL....just like a liberal to blame a disease instead of human acts. So you are saying anyone who cheats on their spouse is a sex addict. Okay. I got ya. LMAO.

 

[This_person]

Now you are just making sh*t up! LOL....just like a liberal to blame a disease instead of human acts. So you are saying anyone who cheats on their spouse is a sex addict. Okay. I got ya. LMAO.

I'm not sure who you have, but I never said every cheater is a sex addict. I said Duggar has the symptoms of a sex addict.

 

[tblwdc]

I'm not sure who you have, but I never said every cheater is a sex addict. I said Duggar has the symptoms of a sex addict.

And what symptons Dr. This person does Josh have that any other cheater doesn't?

 

[This_person]

And what symptons Dr. This person does Josh have that any other cheater doesn't?

Did you read the Mayo Clinic link?

 

[tblwdc]

Did you read the Mayo Clinic link?

I did. What does that have to do with my question. All you know is Josh Cheated and claims to have an undiagnosed porn addiction.

I asked what "symptoms" Does he have that every other cheater doesn't?

 

[This_person]

I did. What does that have to do with my question. All you know is Josh Cheated and claims to have an undiagnosed porn addiction.

I asked what "symptoms" Does he have that every other cheater doesn't?

Some indications that you may be struggling with compulsive sexual behavior include:
1. Your sexual impulses are intense and feel as if they're beyond your control
2. Even though you feel driven to do certain sexual behaviors, you may or may not find the activity a source of pleasure or satisfaction
3. You use compulsive sexual behavior as an escape from other problems, such as loneliness, depression, anxiety or stress
4. You continue to engage in sexual behaviors that have serious consequences, such as the potential for getting or giving someone else a sexually transmitted infection, the loss of important relationships, trouble at work, or legal problems
5. You have trouble establishing and maintaining emotional closeness, even if you're married or in a committed relationship

My guess, based on the reports, is that the average cheater - the kind of woman or man who's just done with their relationship with their partner, and being a complete ass by cheating instead of facing it and ending the relationship first - does not experience at least 1, 2, and 4. Duggar, it seems, does experience those 3 symptoms (at least). I would guess, based on the reports, that he also experiences #3.

You're welcome to judge him without knowledge or experience - no one is telling you that you can't. I just suggest you become informed before judging. Your average person cheating is not Martin Luther King, or Bill Clinton, or Josh Duggar. Your average person cheating is more like Newt Gingrich - cheated, married the new person, stayed that way for decades.

Any other questions?

 

[tblwdc]

Some indications that you may be struggling with compulsive sexual behavior include:
1. Your sexual impulses are intense and feel as if they're beyond your control
2. Even though you feel driven to do certain sexual behaviors, you may or may not find the activity a source of pleasure or satisfaction
3. You use compulsive sexual behavior as an escape from other problems, such as loneliness, depression, anxiety or stress
4. You continue to engage in sexual behaviors that have serious consequences, such as the potential for getting or giving someone else a sexually transmitted infection, the loss of important relationships, trouble at work, or legal problems
5. You have trouble establishing and maintaining emotional closeness, even if you're married or in a committed relationship

Any other questions?

Yea, I got a couple. Where are you getting your information that Josh exhibited 1, 2, and four. He said he was addicted to porn. The rest of that garbage is stuff you made up. How do you know what's in the mind of a cheater? All you know is Josh sexually molested children and cheated on his wife. The rest of that is crap you are spewing to try and blame his evilness on some illness. Just like liberals always do.

 

[This_person]

Yea, I got a couple. Where are you getting your information that Josh exhibited 1, 2, and four. He said he was addicted to porn. The rest of that garbage is stuff you made up. How do you know what's in the mind of a cheater? All you know is Josh sexually molested children and cheated on his wife. The rest of that is crap you are spewing to try and blame his evilness on some illness. Just like liberals always do.

What does it do for you to call me a liberal? Do you gain some kind of testosterone boost or something? I really don't get it. I'm actually a very conservative person.

I'm getting my information from reading the apology, the reports of what happened, and using some education, training, and a combination of intelligence and common sense. Clearly, if he molested other kids while he was a kid after he got caught, he fits #1 and #4. His apology strongly implies #2 and #4.

But, please, feel free to use no knowledge of the subject to simply call him evil instead of having an informed, educated, and intelligent opinion. It seems to suit you. I don't believe Mr. Duggar, Dr. King, or Mr. Clinton are evil. Every indication is that they are sick - that they have a mental illness. Like I wouldn't say a woman with Tourette's Syndrome is simply ill-mannered, or a kid with actual ADHD is a standard discipline problem, or a blind person is just a really bad driver, I wouldn't ascribe a moral judgment to Dr. King, Mr. Clinton, or Mr. Duggar. But, if that's your need, if that somehow fulfills you to morally judge an illness, by all means do so.

 

[Midnightrider]

What does it do for you to call me a liberal? Do you gain some kind of testosterone boost or something? I really don't get it. I'm actually a very conservative person.

I'm getting my information from reading the apology, the reports of what happened, and using some education, training, and a combination of intelligence and common sense. Clearly, if he molested other kids while he was a kid after he got caught, he fits #1 and #4. His apology strongly implies #2 and #4.

But, please, feel free to use no knowledge of the subject to simply call him evil instead of having an informed, educated, and intelligent opinion. It seems to suit you. I don't believe Mr. Duggar, Dr. King, or Mr. Clinton are evil. Every indication is that they are sick - that they have a mental illness. Like I wouldn't say a woman with Tourette's Syndrome is simply ill-mannered, or a kid with actual ADHD is a standard discipline problem, or a blind person is just a really bad driver, I wouldn't ascribe a moral judgment to Dr. King, Mr. Clinton, or Mr. Duggar. But, if that's your need, if that somehow fulfills you to morally judge an illness, by all means do so.

so now you are 'not defending him' by insisting that duggar is a sex addict and not 'evil' for molesting his sisters and others, or cheating on his wife
:classic:

 

[This_person]

so now you are 'not defending him' by insisting that duggar is a sex addict and not 'evil' for molesting his sisters and others, or cheating on his wife
:classic:

Wow, you're only restating exactly what I said, except you put "not defending him" in quotes.

Yes, when someone is sick I don't look at them as evil people. I think his actions are morally reprehensible, but I don't throw the baby out with the bath water. I think if he gets treatment, now that he is past the first marker (admitting his problem), he has great potential to be healed.

But, as with tblwdc, if you have a need to morally judge an illness - if that's what fulfills you as a person - by all means do so.

 

[tblwdc]

Wow, you're only restating exactly what I said, except you put "not defending him" in quotes.

Yes, when someone is sick I don't look at them as evil people. I think his actions are morally reprehensible, but I don't throw the baby out with the bath water. I think if he gets treatment, now that he is past the first marker (admitting his problem), he has great potential to be healed.

But, as with tblwdc, if you have a need to morally judge an illness - if that's what fulfills you as a person - by all means do so.

So Hitler wasn't bad?

 

[Midnightrider]

So Hitler wasn't bad?

duggar is reformed now that he 'admitted he has a problem'..... it doesn't matter that he only admitted it after he was caught red handed with the cheating and when the media outed him with the molestation.

Personally i think molesters can not be reformed. The end. Its one of the few crimes i would keep as life imprisonment for a punsihment if i were king. But hey, TP isn't defending him

 

[This_person]

So Hitler wasn't bad?

If you go back, you'll see I was never discussing Hitler, nor did I say that there is no such thing as a bad person. I do think it's pretty rare. As I recall, I said that Duggar is not a Hitler or a Khan (to most, that implication would be that I think Hitler and Genghis Khan actually WERE bad people, but your interpretation is of course up to you).

Do you think Duggar and Hitler are pretty evenly comparable?

 

[This_person]

duggar is reformed now that he 'admitted he has a problem'..... it doesn't matter that he only admitted it after he was caught red handed with the cheating and when the media outed him with the molestation.

So, you took me saying, "I think if he gets treatment, now that he is past the first marker (admitting his problem), he has great potential to be healed" and inferred from that that Duggar is reformed? I would never want to box you, as you have one of the longest reaches of anyone I've ever met

Personally i think molesters can not be reformed. The end. Its one of the few crimes i would keep as life imprisonment for a punsihment if i were king. But hey, TP isn't defending him

Your assessment would be accurate for some, inaccurate for others. But, hey, at least you have it accurate that I'm not defending him.

 

[tblwdc]

If you go back, you'll see I was never discussing Hitler, nor did I say that there is no such thing as a bad person. I do think it's pretty rare. As I recall, I said that Duggar is not a Hitler or a Khan (to most, that implication would be that I think Hitler and Genghis Khan actually WERE bad people, but your interpretation is of course up to you).

Do you think Duggar and Hitler are pretty evenly comparable?

So it's okay for you to "morally judge" one person with a mental illness but not another. Boy, talk about hypocrites. Yes, I think anyone who preys on children is evil. I can't think of a worse evil than that.

 

[This_person]

So it's okay for you to "morally judge" one person with a mental illness but not another. Boy, talk about hypocrites. Yes, I think anyone who preys on children is evil. I can't think of a worse evil than that.

So, to put it bluntly, you see no difference between Duggar and Hitler? I just want to make sure that's what you're saying.

And, no, it's not ok for me to morally judge one person with a mental illness but not another. There's a whole manual about those kinds of things, known as the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM. You should look into it. You just might learn some things, if you could just open your mind.

 

[tblwdc]

So, to put it bluntly, you see no difference between Duggar and Hitler? I just want to make sure that's what you're saying.

And, no, it's not ok for me to morally judge one person with a mental illness but not another. There's a whole manual about those kinds of things, known as the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DVM. You should look into it. You just might learn some things, if you could just open your mind.

Evil is evil. There is certainly a difference between what they did. Both acts were evil.

 

[This_person]

Evil is evil. There is certainly a difference between what they did. Both acts were evil.

Then, we simply have a difference of opinion, based on our knowledge and education of the topic. One of us is informed, one of us is not, and that leads to a different understanding.

I am curious, though, if "evil is evil", then what is the difference to you on this?

 

[tblwdc]

I am curious, though, if "evil is evil", then what is the difference to you on this?

Can you properly structure your sentence so that one might understand the message you are attempting to convey? Please don't be hypocritical when you do so, as you were when you talked about morally judging mental illness, then judged a person with mental illness.

 

[This_person]

Can you properly structure your sentence so that one might understand the message you are attempting to convey? Please don't be hypocritical when you do so, as you were when you talked about morally judging mental illness, then judged a person with mental illness.

That's a difficult request, because it assumes I judged anyone, and I did not. However, I will re-ask the question.

If all evil is the same ("evil is evil"), then how do you define a difference in evil (evil being evil, after all) between Duggar and Hitler? You say all evil is evil, then you say there's a difference. What's the difference to your way of thinking when all evil is just evil?