I keep searching for the "great news" EV stories.
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You have to drink the right kind of Kool-Aid to see them.I keep searching for the "great news" EV stories.
News flash! There ain't any. Even the pro-ones this week are subdued and those are few and far between. I read one this week where EV batteries only lost 2.5% a year in range. Funniest thing I read all week!I keep searching for the "great news" EV stories.
Electric Kool-Aid?
glhs837
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I keep searching for the "great news" EV stories.
Given that Musk is the Evil One for both left and right, right now, most meda not bending over looking for those stories. . Most of those are found when you actually talk to EV owners not sought out by the news when they find a story. Thousands or owners in Norway and Canada and the Midwest spent the last two weeks just driving and enjoying their cars.
I mean, finding great news stories on any topic aint easy.
PeoplesElbow
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Cyber truck ugly AF no matter what tires are on it.
I recently read an article about a guy that rented a Tesla from Hertz and it only had a 30% state of charge when he got it, wtf you don't have to return them charged up like you would fueled up? I think I see why Hertz had issues, I'd think they would want a super charge on the premises if they were going to rent electric vehicles.
Does it really matter if its uber drivers or not causing the issues if you are stuck somewhere and cant charge? I wouldn't care if it was a traveling band of banjo playing nuns if I was stuck unable to charge.
I've seen cars get poor reviews back in the magazine days because of the OEM tire selection btw. A better set of tires are going to cost about $2000-$2500.
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You are f**kin delusional!
glhs837
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Well, style is subjective. And I did point out that Hertz dropped the ball on rolling them into the fleet. They said you should always get one with 80% and return it at that, or they would add a surcharge. But lots of that didnt happen, from what I read. Me, I got one with I think 75%, and turned in back in with like 82%. And while someone like me will watch about 15 minutes of videoa beforehand, most people wont. And Hertz should have planned to give those folks a walkthrough. They said they would, but they are short staffed so hard, they dont have enough people to even clean the cars. Hertz blew it.
It does matter, because again, Hertz just went hog wild and the unintended consequences hurt not thiem, but others. Sounded great on paper, I'm sure, but as we see, it didn't work out in practice. My point was that these errors are not the fault of Tesla or an inherent problem with the cars or the charging network. Those work just fine 99% of he time for 99% of the drivers. And it was most likely not passing through folks impacted, but those people dumb enough to buy them while being city dwellers who have no other way to charge. Like the dumbasses in where was it Bakersfield? If and when I buy one, I will charge at home, and when I travel, I certainly wont be diving into a city to do it.
Yep, poor tire selections can cripple a car. But stock tires are always a compromise. And stock tires should never be compared to mission specific rubber. The three season high performance tires that came on my SRT-8 were pretty good. But compared to the 100 treadwear max performance summer only rubber I was given to test, they were crap. Saying the Rivian is bette based on the performance of one running winter only dedicated snow tires isn't fair. You need to pit stock tires against stock tires.
glhs837
Power with Control
Call'em as I see'em bro.Another fact filled rebuttal
glhs837
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You seem to only see black and white, no nuance. Seems to be a national problem.
PeoplesElbow
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It is pretty unfortunate on the tire size designed for the CT, there isn't much variety available in that size. IMHO reviewers should compare similar cars on the same type of tire, but since manufactures have gone apeshit with the sizes in the last 20 years its almost impossible. I can still remember when cars had 12, 14, or 15 inch tires almost all 70%s.
I would think an "apocalypse proof" truck would come with tires more suited to apocalypse type weather vs Burbank cruising.
PeoplesElbow
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Here is a good run down of what went on. Note that he mentions that there were also a few issues in Michigan too. It's not good that the Lithium Iron Phosphate cells are worse off in the cold too. That's too bad I was going to buy a LiFe battery for an off grid system
insideevs.com
What Happened With The 'Stranded Teslas' EV Charging Panic In Chicago
Teslas are having trouble charging in the extreme cold, but there's a myriad of factors that contribute to the problem. Let us help explain.
insideevs.com
SamSpade
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The old adage will always be relevant - build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door.
Build and sell a PC for 5 to 10,000 dollars, and a very few people will buy one - make and sell one that cost between 500-1000 dollars and people will buy several. THIS was exactly the case for IBM PCs vs. "clones" from the early 80s - to the end of the eighties.
You can always get customer buy in, if you can make it CHEAPER than what they have. Sell an EV for HALF the cost of an ICE, and you won't be able to keep up with demand.
Build and sell a PC for 5 to 10,000 dollars, and a very few people will buy one - make and sell one that cost between 500-1000 dollars and people will buy several. THIS was exactly the case for IBM PCs vs. "clones" from the early 80s - to the end of the eighties.
You can always get customer buy in, if you can make it CHEAPER than what they have. Sell an EV for HALF the cost of an ICE, and you won't be able to keep up with demand.
Electric Vehicles Enter the 'Total Failure' Phase of Their Existence
As RedState reported, Ford has cut the production of its "Lightning" electric pickup truck in half. Why? Mainly because no one wants to buy them. Why do they not want to buy them? Because they are overpriced, unreliable, and impractical.
Who could have guessed that paying $55,000 (and that's with EV subsidies) for a stripped-down, base-level truck that overheats when you tow things and can't drive over 300 miles on a single charge wouldn't appeal to the average F-150 buyer? Certainly, people who use their trucks for work have found little to no use for such a pointless monstrosity.
It's not just the Lightning, though. The entire EV industry is getting hit by reality right now.
There is no better example of government idiocy than the top-down push for electric vehicles, which at this point has cost American taxpayers tens of billions of dollars. They were a solution to a problem that didn't exist, and even then, they turned out to not be a solution at all. It's not just about cost either. How useful is a car that loses most of its range when it gets below freezing? How useful is a car that can't be driven for more than a few hours in a row, even in perfect conditions?
Obviously, you either don't read what I post or if you do you have a serious reading comprehension issue. LOL
glhs837
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See, again, what names do you see? Ford and GM. As if they are the only ones making and selling EVs. Other companies doing fine. Have you seen BYDs and Teslas sales graphs? Does that look like total failure? And again, Chicago and Hertz were self inflicted wounds, not due to EVs, but rather to a crappy implementation.
As for reliability, remember that problems are not always a reliability thing. Sometimes its a simple learning curve. If in the first 60 days, I cant figure out how to operate part of the system, thats reported as a problem. Now, it is a problem. There needs to be better software and teaching. But its not a reliability problem.
Lastly, using words like mosts isn't really accurate, is it? While we agree that govt mandates and subsidies were a Bad Idea, that doesnt make the vehicles themselves a bad idea. Like solar, its a good product when used properly. It was a bag of crap when govt subsidies led to tons of fly by night companies selling crap products under dubious conditions.
I can say that most folks don't drive their cars for more than three to four hours, not in practice. Wifes new BMW has over 400 miles of range, and we've never run it from full to low fuel. I know some people Cannonball wherever they go, but thats not most people.
glhs837
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Currently sold EVs junk and evil, buyers all stupid fools. If you have expressed a different opinion, I certainly did miss it.
Yep, I figured that would be ALL you would get out of them.
PeoplesElbow
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People don't buy a product, they buy an experience. The Ford and GM products are fine, IMHO they would stand a better chance than Tesla if, and its a big IF the charging experience were better. This means chargers almost everywhere, even Tesla's network is too sparse for the public at large to accept EV's as a replacement for ICE vehicles.
I think a lot of the early adopters simply wanted to be "cool and trendy" just like the people that pay thousands for designer dogs, fancy over priced, and unreliable Samsung and LG appliances etc etc.
I think a lot of the early adopters simply wanted to be "cool and trendy" just like the people that pay thousands for designer dogs, fancy over priced, and unreliable Samsung and LG appliances etc etc.