Electric Car News

[glhs837]

Weak article all around...but does mention that diesel still rules. The entire country was shocked by a dramatic increase in the cost of electricity that occurred soon after the start of the Russian-Ukraine war. Almost overnight, people could not afford their home electric bill even without the addition of a charging station, something a lot of homes there have now.

The huge driver behind the popularity and sales of EVs in Norway was the fact that the government removed, for EVs, the stunning 100% tax that is imposed on new gasoline car purchases. That's a huge incentive.

Took my son a long time to sell his 3. The market for used EVs is in the terlit.

I think I see why.... Same issue they faced here.

Used Tesla Model 3 cars Norway

159 used Tesla Model 3 cars for sale from Norway. Best prices and best deals for Tesla Model 3 cars in Norway. Tesla Model 3 Ads from car dealers and private sellers. Review and Buy used Tesla cars online at OOYYO.

www.ooyyo.com

Used Model 3s going for 35-37K US

https://www.tesla.com/no_no/modely/design#overview

Brand new Model Y, which is larger and of course newer, not much different. About 41K for the long range all wheel drive. If you bought when they were being imported from China, the EU import taxes made the prices higher. Product out of Berlin doesnt have that burden.

 

[GURPS]

Cost of driving electric car up to twice the price of petrol or diesel​

The UK has more than 12,500 rapid or ultra-rapid charging stations — a 40 per cent increase on a year ago — but data shared with The Times shows they cost an average of 80p per kilowatt hour (kWh), making the switch to electric cars prohibitively expensive for motorists who do not have access to cheaper at-home charging.

Prices at rapid chargers have increased 5 per cent over the past year, according to ZapMap, which supplied the data. Over the same period, the wholesale cost of electricity has fallen by 30 per cent.

Public chargers are defined as rapid if they deliver at least 50 kWh of power, allowing a battery to fully recharge in about 30 minutes. However, the data shows that even those who choose slower public chargers are still paying more per mile than petrol and diesel drivers, following recent falls in the cost of oil.

Industry leaders have raised concerns that the cost of public chargers, as well as the higher cost of electric vehicles, is delaying the transition to greener motoring.

The latest figures show that sales of electric cars have stagnated, accounting for just 17.2 per cent of all new registrations so far this year, down from a high of 18.7 per cent in the second half of 2022.

In Europe, sales of electric cars are performing even worse, with registrations down 44 per cent in August alone.

 

[Gilligan]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/13/tesla-semi-fire-needed-50000-gallons-of-water-to-extinguish.html

 

[glhs837]

Seems the market for decently priced fast charging is wide open. Triple what regular home electric costs. or five times what off peak charging costs?

Looks like having a Tesla is the smart move as they appear to charge half of what the average fast charger costs. About 35p per kWh.

Tesla Supercharger (Owners) (November 2024)

Peak Hours are normally between 4pm and 8pm, when costs are normally higher. Tesla's worldwide Supercharger network offers rapid and ultra charging…

leccy.net

 

[stgislander]

The entire country was shocked by a dramatic increase in the cost of electricity that occurred soon after the start of the Russian-Ukraine war.

Which surprises me since Norway has all that wind and hydro-produced electricity. Our friend over there told me because the govt taxes the hell out of it.

 

[phreddyp]

You are witnessing what happens when the low hanging fruit has all been picked, I imagine the stranded costs for these EV manufacturers are going be unpresented and they will try to bury the real costs in their yearly reports. China is going to kick all of their asses, you have tariffs being implemented to soften the blow from them, current makers are going to have to provide a low cost, highly reliable EV or Hybrid to compete and due to the UNIONS having a strangle hold in the EU I don't see that happening. Used EVs are selling well since the deprecation on new EVs are in the double digits thanks to Tesla cutting prices and the general public not buying the hype of course Hertz dumping their used EVs on the market isn't helping. There is one born every minute!

 

[phreddyp]

Which surprises me since Norway has all that wind and hydro-produced electricity. Our friend over there told me because the govt taxes the hell out of it.

There is no way a government is going to miss out on easy tax revenue, expect more to come.

 

[Gilligan]

Which surprises me since Norway has all that wind and hydro-produced electricity. Our friend over there told me because the govt taxes the hell out of it.

Statnett directed a huge increase in electrical power sold to and through Sweden after Russian gas was being shut off.. That move resulted in the dramatic increase in the cost of electricity in-country. Suffice to say..the political repercussions followed.

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

Well, in Norway, around 27 percent of daily EV commuters have a drive time of only 15 to 29 minutes. With the overall average commuting distance for the general labor force being 16.3 km.

And, "Road fuel demand in Norway has remained relatively stable even with soaring electric vehicle (EV) adoption, raising questions about whether EVs really have a material impact on diesel and gasoline sales".

Maybe many Norwegians have two vehicles, using an EV to go to work, and an ICE for long travel distances?

It's a conundrum when you think about it, though more EV's are being driven, and yet, nearly the same amount overall of fuels being used.

Norway's road fuel demand won't last amid rapid EV adoption

Road fuel demand in Norway has remained relatively stable even with soaring electric vehicle (EV) adoption, questioning whether EVs really have a material impact on diesel and gasoline sales.

www.rystadenergy.com

 

[GURPS]

Study: Electric Vehicle Batteries Make Cars Too Heavy to Be Stopped by Safety Guardrails​

As the amount of EVs such as Teslas and Chevrolet Bolts take over the roads amid concerns over the environmental impact of gasoline-powered vehicles, one of the lead researchers from the university’s Midwest Roadside Safety Facility (MwRSF) warned that there needs to be “some urgency to address this issue.”

In a study sponsored by the U.S. Army Engineer Research and Development Center (ERDC) and partnered with Auburn University’s Transportation Research Institute, MwRSF conducted a “first-of-its-kind crash test” of an EV pickup truck in October 2023.

The test used a 7,148-pound 2022 Rivian R1T truck that was sent at a barrier at a speed of 60 mph, with footage showing the heavy EV completely blasting through the guardrail and launching over the concrete wall while sending chunks of it flying:

 

[Gilligan]

For your consideration ...

Well, in Norway, around 27 percent of daily EV commuters have a drive time of only 15 to 29 minutes. With the overall average commuting distance for the general labor force being 16.3 km.

Norway's road fuel demand won't last amid rapid EV adoption

Road fuel demand in Norway has remained relatively stable even with soaring electric vehicle (EV) adoption, questioning whether EVs really have a material impact on diesel and gasoline sales.

www.rystadenergy.com

In my son's case, his commute was over 40 km when he worked for Microsoft in the "big town" of Stavanger. After he took the job as IT manager for his local county, his commute is maybe 3 km and he often just works from his in-home office. His wife still has a daily commute of about 30km though.

She works for an IKEA facility specializing in "product recovery". They take the returned items and, after evaluation, return them to salable condition. So, when the Kyles of the world get frustrated and angry and give up trying to assemble a piece of IKEA furniture, she's the one that replaces the broken or hammer-assaulted pieces and parts after it is all returned.

 

[glhs837]

Study: Electric Vehicle Batteries Make Cars Too Heavy to Be Stopped by Safety Guardrails​

As the amount of EVs such as Teslas and Chevrolet Bolts take over the roads amid concerns over the environmental impact of gasoline-powered vehicles, one of the lead researchers from the university’s Midwest Roadside Safety Facility (MwRSF) warned that there needs to be “some urgency to address this issue.”

In a study sponsored by the U.S. Army Engineer Research and Development Center (ERDC) and partnered with Auburn University’s Transportation Research Institute, MwRSF conducted a “first-of-its-kind crash test” of an EV pickup truck in October 2023.

The test used a 7,148-pound 2022 Rivian R1T truck that was sent at a barrier at a speed of 60 mph, with footage showing the heavy EV completely blasting through the guardrail and launching over the concrete wall while sending chunks of it flying:

Oh jebus. Was anyone worried about F-250s? Or Suburban's? Has anyone tested these against guardrails? And who crashes into guardrails at a 90 degree angle at 60 mph?

 

[phreddyp]

Oh jebus. Was anyone worried about F-250s? Or Suburban's? Has anyone tested these against guardrails? And who crashes into guardrails at a 90 degree angle at 60 mph?

Quit your whining we had this discussion 6 months ago, obviously you have the attention span of a liberal.

 

[glhs837]

Quit your whining we had this discussion 6 months ago, obviously you have the attention span of a liberal.

I know we did. Yet people keep posting stuff that makes no sense. If heavy vehicles ramming through guardrails at 60mph were a real issue and not clickbait generating BS, we would have heard about it a long time ago. Yet here we are.

Just like the stupid "OMG. The parking garages (that are currently stuffed full of heavy SUVs) are going to collapse from all of the EVs!".

It's hysteria that collapses the second you apply logic to it. If 7,000lb Suburbans are not an issue, then why would the Rivian be?

 

[phreddyp]

I know we did. Yet people keep posting stuff that makes no sense. If heavy vehicles ramming through guardrails at 60mph were a real issue and not clickbait generating BS, we would have heard about it a long time ago. Yet here we are.

Just like the stupid "OMG. The parking garages (that are currently stuffed full of heavy SUVs) are going to collapse from all of the EVs!".

It's hysteria that collapses the second you apply logic to it. If 7,000lb Suburbans are not an issue, then why would the Rivian be?

Most likely the collateral damage from parts blowing off the Rivian like a grenade is causing anxiety.

 

[phreddyp]

In my son's case, his commute was over 40 km when he worked for Microsoft in the "big town" of Stavanger. After he took the job as IT manager for his local county, his commute is maybe 3 km and he often just works from his in-home office. His wife still has a daily commute of about 30km though.

She works for an IKEA facility specializing in "product recovery". They take the returned items and, after evaluation, return them to salable condition. So, when the Kyles of the world get frustrated and angry and give up trying to assemble a piece of IKEA furniture, she's the one that replaces the broken or hammer-assaulted pieces and parts after it is all returned.

I would like to see some pics of some returns, I bet quite a few would be amusing.

 

[Gilligan]

I would like to see some pics of some returns, I bet quite a few would be amusing.

..me too!

 

[glhs837]

Most likely the collateral damage from parts blowing off the Rivian like a grenade is causing anxiety.

I submit that if this vehicle had hit the same stuff that Rivian did, just as much crap would be flying. The only reason it didn't here is that this was a solid barrier.

 

[glhs837]

Oh no. EV sales cratering! Don't tell the Model Y that. Last quarter it sold more than the F-150... Number two in US sales right behind the RAV4.... I'll also note that BEV sales are still up YOY. And that's the "old and stale" MY. The refreshed one getting upgrades similar to the new Model 3, should drive sales even higher.

Tesla Model Y just a hair away from becoming the US’ best-selling vehicle: report

The Tesla Model Y was within striking distance of becoming the United States' best-selling vehicle through Q2.

www.teslarati.com

 

[glhs837]

Most likely the collateral damage from parts blowing off the Rivian like a grenade is causing anxiety.

Forgot the link yesterday. Here's a Suburban hitting a solid barrier at a slow 35mph. Pretty sure just as much stuff would go flying if it hit a guradral and jersey barriers at 60mph.