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phreddyp

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glhs837 said:
Facts on the ground are hard to come by sadly. If you can find any real information, let me know.
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Likewise with you, I would really like to know how many charging stations are to blame and how many were done by Harry. My guess is the EVs didn't shut down after the batteries were fully charged. I would gander that both the chargers and the EVs have some type of safety device embedded in them to protect from overcharging.
 
GURPS

GURPS

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BMW Chief Says Europe’s 2035 EV Mandate is “No Longer Realistic”​


Back in 2022, I reported that Toyota Motor chief Akio Toyoda remains skeptical of moving to only producing electric vehicles (EVs). Toyoda also indicated that most people who work in the auto industry agree with him.

“People involved in the auto industry are largely a silent majority,” Toyoda said. “That silent majority is wondering whether EVs are really OK to have as a single option. But they think it’s the trend so they can’t speak out loudly.”
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Now BMW’s CEO Oliver Zipse argues that Europe’s 2035 ban on internal combustion engines (ICE) is unrealistic and could increase reliance on Chinese batteries.


BMW wants Europe to relax its plan to ban new petrol and diesel-powered cars from 2035 onward, in an effort to reduce the region’s reliance on batteries from China. While many automakers have fully embraced electrification, BMW is opting for a more diversified strategy.
In addition to battery electric vehicles (BEVs), the company is investing in alternative technologies such as e-fuels and hydrogen fuel cells, betting that the future of mobility won’t be driven by batteries alone.
At the this month’s Paris Auto Show, BMW’s CEO, Oliver Zipse, made it clear that Europe needs a new regulatory approach, one that leverages its own strengths in technology and doesn’t hinge so heavily on battery imports.
“A correction of the 100% BEV target for 2035 as part of a comprehensive CO2-reduction package would also afford European OEMs less reliance on China for batteries,” Zipse said according to Auto News. “To maintain the successful course, a strictly technology-agnostic path within the policy framework is essential.”
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glhs837

glhs837

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phreddyp said:
I got to admit Tesla blew away my guesses for the 3rd quarter with their earnings, I certainly didn't expect it.
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Of particular note is the COGs..... this is where the legacy makers are having such a hard time. Scale matters, and vertical integration matters. There's a reason Tesla factories don't look like other factories. Energy profits make a difference as well. And once Shanghai's Megapack factory (broke ground in May, it was 60% complete in September) comes online, with I think double Lathrops capacity, combined with both Chinese efficiency and a growing Asian and European appetite for grid storage, that's only going to grow. Add in the recently approved expansion of Berlin, forthcoming less expensive models (I suspect decontented M3 and Y) it looks like we might have another long runup this coming year.
 
PeoplesElbow

PeoplesElbow

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glhs837 said:
PHEVs struggling. For those tracking EV sales as a percentage of total US sales. Steady growth.

2022 - 5.9%
2023 - 7.6%
2024 so far- %9.4

www.greencarreports.com

US consumers aren't buying PHEVs despite automakers embracing them

Consumers say they want plug-in hybrids, but sales aren't materializing.
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If most are like the Dodge Van's we have at work I understand why, Dodge didn't disappoint I'm their ability t make garbage.

As has been the case for a few years now Toyotas PHEV sales are high.

 
glhs837

glhs837

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PeoplesElbow said:
If most are like the Dodge Van's we have at work I understand why, Dodge didn't disappoint I'm their ability t make garbage.

As has been the case for a few years now Toyotas PHEV sales are high.

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Wait, 70 people bought the Mirai? Talk about on a wing and a prayer... :)

I wonder how Toyota might do with a good EV. Instead of the half assed effort they brought forth. What if they made the Prius of EVs? Always surprised me that they dragged hybrids into the light all by themselves, and I didn't get it til I drove one. It was a decent car first that happened to be a hybrid, not like the Honda Insight, which was a car wrapped around being a hybrid. If you want a car that gets you where you want to go with zero fuss and also gets great MPG, its a no brainer.

Might be interesting to see if Tesla's wireless charging system is as efficient as we think, how that might affect both PHEV and EV adoption.
 
PeoplesElbow

PeoplesElbow

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glhs837 said:
Wait, 70 people bought the Mirai? Talk about on a wing and a prayer... :)

I wonder how Toyota might do with a good EV. Instead of the half assed effort they brought forth. What if they made the Prius of EVs? Always surprised me that they dragged hybrids into the light all by themselves, and I didn't get it til I drove one. It was a decent car first that happened to be a hybrid, not like the Honda Insight, which was a car wrapped around being a hybrid. If you want a car that gets you where you want to go with zero fuss and also gets great MPG, its a no brainer.

Might be interesting to see if Tesla's wireless charging system is as efficient as we think, how that might affect both PHEV and EV adoption.
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I think the PHEV has the same hurdle as EVs, plugging it in. When I got my hybrid the first thing the GF did was curled up her nose and asked "you have to plug it in?"

I still maintain women don't want to plug their cars in, of all the people that drive off with a gas pump still in their car I think most are women.

Didn't you say that you would plug in an EV for your wife? Does that mean she don't want to plug it in?
 
glhs837

glhs837

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PeoplesElbow said:
I think the PHEV has the same hurdle as EVs, plugging it in. When I got my hybrid the first thing the GF did was curled up her nose and asked "you have to plug it in?"

I still maintain women don't want to plug their cars in, of all the people that drive off with a gas pump still in their car I think most are women.

Didn't you say that you would plug in an EV for your wife? Does that mean she don't want to plug it in?
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Same reason I fuel up our vehicles 99% of the time. :) She basically only does it when I'm travelling. When she drives her sports car, she leave it in front of the house and I pull it back around to where it usually stays parked. And I go fetch it for her when she wants to take it. Nice thing about a plug in, they usually are interlocked so you cannot drive off with the plug attached.

But when I'm not here, she does these things without a qualm.
 
PeoplesElbow

PeoplesElbow

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glhs837 said:
Same reason I fuel up our vehicles 99% of the time. :) She basically only does it when I'm travelling. When she drives her sports car, she leave it in front of the house and I pull it back around to where it usually stays parked. And I go fetch it for her when she wants to take it. Nice thing about a plug in, they usually are interlocked so you cannot drive off with the plug attached.

But when I'm not here, she does these things without a qualm.
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PeoplesElbow

PeoplesElbow

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glhs837 said:
And when I go to a gas station, there are routinely pumps out of service. Don't use that one seems pretty simple to me.

Unless you are pointing out that it was backed into.
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I am, just saying I know multiple women afraid to put their car in the garage or to back up.
 
glhs837

glhs837

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PeoplesElbow said:
I am, just saying I know multiple women afraid to put their car in the garage or to back up.
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Yep. If you cant deal with it, its a struggle. With seven million vehicles sold, its not slowing Tesla down all that much. I wonder how much is misconceptions about the heft of the cord and the safety issues.

The cords really light and flexible, the Tesla one at least. And you can literally dip the cable end in a puddle, then plug it right in with no issues.
 
PeoplesElbow

PeoplesElbow

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glhs837 said:
Yep. If you cant deal with it, its a struggle. With seven million vehicles sold, its not slowing Tesla down all that much. I wonder how much is misconceptions about the heft of the cord and the safety issues.

The cords really light and flexible, the Tesla one at least. And you can literally dip the cable end in a puddle, then plug it right in with no issues.
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Having pulled a 50ft aircraft power cable the first time I saw that charge cable it completely blew my mind. The plug alone for an aircraft weighs more than that thing.

I do think they should be longer, several cyber truck owners I've seen post that it really needs to be longer.
 
glhs837

glhs837

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PeoplesElbow said:
Having pulled a 50ft aircraft power cable the first time I saw that charge cable it completely blew my mind. The plug alone for an aircraft weighs more than that thing.

I do think they should be longer, several cyber truck owners I've seen post that it really needs to be longer.
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Supercharger or home? The newest Superchargers do have a longer cable. With proper parking, it shouldn't be an issue, but precision parking, like skilled driving, is a not thing we seem to expect from people anymore.
 
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