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Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
Well, I'm gonna stick with my ICE and watch the next ten years
And that's it in a nutshell. We're trying to apply the metrics and logistics of an infantile industry to one that's been around for a long time, tried and true. It's going to take time for EVs to be as relevant as ICE is today.

Me,.... well I want to play. I can't wait to get my EV, for it's good and it's bad. I've always been an early adopter of new tech. And then I'll update it with some bolt-on tracs and have the first all-weather all-terrain personal EV.

 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
And that's it in a nutshell. We're trying to apply the metrics and logistics of an infantile industry to one that's been around for a long time, tried and true. It's going to take time for EVs to be as relevant as ICE is today.

Me,.... well I want to play. I can't wait to get my EV, for it's good and it's bad. I've always been an early adopter of new tech. And then I'll update it with some bolt-on tracs and have the first all-weather all-terrain personal EV.

I always wanted a set of those for my 2001 but really don't have a place to use them.

Snow around here only shows up rarely and usually not in quantity.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
I always wanted a set of those for my 2001 but really don't have a place to use them.

Snow around here only shows up rarely and usually not in quantity.
Good for the beach too.... :biggrin:

Yeah, always wanted a set, but just no justification around here. But it would have the "cool" factor....
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Well, I'm gonna stick with my ICE and watch the next ten years.

I'm betting the EV Rush will turn into a short one just like the Segway did.
Given the jump from 2% to 4% in one year, I suspect you are wrong. And I don't think it will take 10 years to show that.
 

glhs837

Power with Control

I do like Stossel, but he should vet his appeal to authority folks a bit better. Dive into Mr. Mills work. He's a founder in Montrose Lane, formerly Cottonwoods, a venture capital firm based in Houston and loving that oil patch money. So he might be a bit biased and being artful in his statements.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
His statement about leaking, it's such a tiny amount that in batteries in use, it doesn't really matter. Nobody is filling batteries to use the energy years down the road. His calculation of how long it would take to make "enough" batteries depends on how much you need to store and how fast you produce them. He's using the either or sort of argument, when in reality, it's both for quite some time. Batteries don't generate, they store. And unless some has a magical oil production machine, oil can only do that for so long. We could wait til it's almost gone, or we can start now.

He's shilling for his interests, which is fine, but to label him as a professor as if he has no skin in the game is a bit of a misdirect.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
His statement about leaking,

I figured they meant discharge at rest

His calculation of how long it would take to make "enough" batteries depends on how much you need to store and how fast you produce them. He's using the either or sort of argument, when in reality, it's both for quite some time.

If I recall the comment storage to replace current daily usage ... only solar and wind providing electricity .... how much storage for daily US consumption.


He's shilling for his interests, which is fine, but to label him as a professor as if he has no skin in the game is a bit of a misdirect.





Biography

Mark P. Mills is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a faculty fellow at Northwestern University’s McCormick School of Engineering and Applied Science. He is also a strategic partner with Montrose Lane (an energy-tech venture fund). Previously, Mills cofounded Digital Power Capital, a boutique venture fund, and was chairman and CTO of ICx Technologies, helping take it public in 2007. Mills is author of the book The Cloud Revolution: How the Convergence of New Technologies Will Unleash the Next Economic Boom and a Roaring 2020s (Encounter Books, 2021), and host of the new podcast The Last Optimist. He is also author of Digital Cathedrals (2020), and Work in the Age of Robots (2018). Mills earlier coauthored (with Peter Huber) The Bottomless Well: The Twilight of Fuel, the Virtue of Waste, and Why We Will Never Run Out of Energy (Basic Books, 2005).

His articles have been published widely, including in the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, USA Today, and Real Clear. Mills has appeared as a guest on CNN, Fox, NBC, PBS, and The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. In 2016, Mills was named “Energy Writer of the Year” by the American Energy Society. Earlier, Mills was a technology advisor for Bank of America Securities and coauthor of the Huber-Mills Digital Power Report, a tech investment newsletter. He has testified before Congress numerous times, and briefed state public-service commissions and legislators.

Mills served in the White House Science Office under President Reagan and subsequently provided science and technology policy counsel to a variety of private-sector firms, the Department of Energy, and U.S. research laboratories, and prior to that began his career as an experimental physicist and development engineer in microprocessors and fiber optics.

Early in his career, Mills was an experimental physicist and development engineer at Bell Northern Research (Canada’s Bell Labs) and at the RCA David Sarnoff Research Center on microprocessors, fiber optics, missile guidance, earning several patents for his work. He holds a degree in physics from Queen’s University, Ontario, Canada.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
I figured they meant discharge at rest



If I recall the comment storage to replace current daily usage ... only solar and wind providing electricity .... how much storage for daily US consumption.

I figured they meant discharge at rest



If I recall the comment storage to replace current daily usage ... only solar and wind providing electricity .... how much storage for daily US consumption.








Biography

Mark P. Mills is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a faculty fellow at Northwestern University’s McCormick School of Engineering and Applied Science. He is also a strategic partner with Montrose Lane (an energy-tech venture fund). Previously, Mills cofounded Digital Power Capital, a boutique venture fund, and was chairman and CTO of ICx Technologies, helping take it public in 2007. Mills is author of the book The Cloud Revolution: How the Convergence of New Technologies Will Unleash the Next Economic Boom and a Roaring 2020s (Encounter Books, 2021), and host of the new podcast The Last Optimist. He is also author of Digital Cathedrals (2020), and Work in the Age of Robots (2018). Mills earlier coauthored (with Peter Huber) The Bottomless Well: The Twilight of Fuel, the Virtue of Waste, and Why We Will Never Run Out of Energy (Basic Books, 2005).

His articles have been published widely, including in the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, USA Today, and Real Clear. Mills has appeared as a guest on CNN, Fox, NBC, PBS, and The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. In 2016, Mills was named “Energy Writer of the Year” by the American Energy Society. Earlier, Mills was a technology advisor for Bank of America Securities and coauthor of the Huber-Mills Digital Power Report, a tech investment newsletter. He has testified before Congress numerous times, and briefed state public-service commissions and legislators.

Mills served in the White House Science Office under President Reagan and subsequently provided science and technology policy counsel to a variety of private-sector firms, the Department of Energy, and U.S. research laboratories, and prior to that began his career as an experimental physicist and development engineer in microprocessors and fiber optics.

Early in his career, Mills was an experimental physicist and development engineer at Bell Northern Research (Canada’s Bell Labs) and at the RCA David Sarnoff Research Center on microprocessors, fiber optics, missile guidance, earning several patents for his work. He holds a degree in physics from Queen’s University, Ontario, Canada.


I never said he wasnt a smart guy. My point was that he's got an angle and his pitch isn't from the point of view of an ivory tower theorist, but rather a guy with a vested interest in hammering batteries, which have already started taking a bite out of the very lucrative peaker plant business. And yep, it would take forever to replace all that generation with storage given current battery production capacity. Here's the thing. Given how cars were made before the assembly line, would have taken a thousand years to replace the horse. Yet here we are...... storage battery production is just beginning to scale. As the economics of grid scale storage become more visible, the industry will go gangbusters. Its only partially about replacing fossil fuel generation, which can only really happen once we either nail down fusion or start building smaller safer nuke plants. Its also about grid stabilization, at which batteries excel. They save money and do it better than peaker plants ever could.




Its all in the words, and he's done very well with his word choices as might be expected of someone with his accomplishments.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
BLASTPHEMERS!!!



I can't wait for the Church Grand Inquisitors Kerry and Thunberg to set you all straight.
 

DoWhat

Deplorable
PREMO Member

The NBVFD urges all owners of electric vehicles to ensure they are not left unattended while charging and are inspected regularly to ensure they are in good working order.
 

PrchJrkr

Long Haired Country Boy
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The NBVFD urges all owners of electric vehicles to ensure they are not left unattended while charging and are inspected regularly to ensure they are in good working order.
Set your alarm clock to chime every 30 minutes so you can keep a close eye on it. Problem solved. :yay:
 

glhs837

Power with Control

The NBVFD urges all owners of electric vehicles to ensure they are not left unattended while charging and are inspected regularly to ensure they are in good working order.

So here's what burned


Can be had with lead acid or Li-Ion. Wonder which is was.




Yep, don't choose an EV with a crappy charging network. :)
 
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