glhs837
Power with Control
See here's the thing. Anecdotal data isn't. Most people that buy them love them. The data is clear.
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Kinnakeet
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A few times a year over 500 miles
Even city driving the Subaru will do better hell I bet my Diesel does better
If and when you need a battery pack from what I have read the battery job is over 20000 now imagine what it will be 10 years from now
Yeah it's like one of those 2 sided business cards ( how to keep a moron busy) see other side!
glhs837
Power with Control
Perfect, no. Great for some, good for others, and not good for others even. Bad for some, in fact. See, there's this thing called judgement, where you can decide that not all things are all one way or another. Shootings, for instance. Some are bad, some of good. Big ol honking duallies, great for hauling the boat to the water, or pulling someone out of a ditch. Pretty bad for commuting 50 miles each way every day. Very few things in the world are universally bad.
And you can win a war, you just need ammunition, in this case facts and data. And memes are not facts and anecdotes are not data.
Right, trips of 500 miles, but you dont just drive 500 without stopping, do you?
And no, unless you are getting gas for $1.50 a gallon
Straight up fuel cost, not even counting the lesser maint cost. See, heres where you might whip out the "OMG, someone paid $300 to charge up!!!" and that would some jackass who left their car hooked to a charger with a per minute penalty cost after you are fully charged. Pick an EV, lets compare cost per mile. As for battery replacements, again, you take one case from an edge case and think it applies to every EV out there. Warranty's are eight years and 100K. Chances are high that if you have a bad pack, you will know before then. And the batteries will get less expensive as production scales, that's one reason for the that 20K battery, it was for a very limited run vehicle and there simply were not many produced.
In ten years, you will likely be able to purchase a repaired pack or have yours repaired.
Kinnakeet
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Im giving you facts from driving not reading info from the internetPerfect, no. Great for some, good for others, and not good for others even. Bad for some, in fact. See, there's this thing called judgement, where you can decide that not all things are all one way or another. Shootings, for instance. Some are bad, some of good. Big ol honking duallies, great for hauling the boat to the water, or pulling someone out of a ditch. Pretty bad for commuting 50 miles each way every day. Very few things in the world are universally bad.
And you can win a war, you just need ammunition, in this case facts and data. And memes are not facts and anecdotes are not data.
Right, trips of 500 miles, but you dont just drive 500 without stopping, do you?
And no, unless you are getting gas for $1.50 a gallon
As for battery replacements, again, you take one case from an edge case and think it applies to every EV out there. Warranty's are eight years and 100K. Chances are high that if you have a bad pack, you will know before then. And the batteries will get less expensive as production scales, that's one reason for the that 20K battery, it was for a very limited run vehicle and there simply were not many produced.
In ten years, you will likely be able to purchase a repaired pack or have yours repaired.
And of course I stop what does that have to do me with going further than your EV? my trip will also get done before yours as my fill up is faster than your charge and I bet if we went the same path for 500 miles you would not make it as there would not be enough charging stations for you to make it ,so IMO ICE wins hands down
You must've jynxed me. I passed one in the 7D this morning and another on 249 on my way home this evening. They're kind of hard to miss -O--O-.
Oh yeah, EVs suck moose c0ck.
glhs837
Power with Control
Yep, but the small number of people you know doesn't mean that every EV falls into those categories. Yep, you will get there first. And when I stop, I can charge, but yes you will get there first. And if that's the most important thing, then ICE is still the correct choice. And in a Tesla, there's no 500 mile route I couldn't make. Other makes, well, I wouldn't buy those because they do have issues. Speed isn't everything to everybody.
Sneakers
Just sneakin' around....
Something I learned today, which I knew but just didn't put 2 and 2 together, was that EVs charge much faster up to 80%, and take forever to charge to 90+%. So it's actually faster to make more frequent stops and recharge to 70-80% and be on your way, than it is to recharge to full less often.
glhs837
Power with Control
And that's a lot of the cases of high charging cost. People trying to get to 100 on per minute chargers.
Ten years LOL! A pig is a pig no matter how much lipstick you put on it!Perfect, no. Great for some, good for others, and not good for others even. Bad for some, in fact. See, there's this thing called judgement, where you can decide that not all things are all one way or another. Shootings, for instance. Some are bad, some of good. Big ol honking duallies, great for hauling the boat to the water, or pulling someone out of a ditch. Pretty bad for commuting 50 miles each way every day. Very few things in the world are universally bad.
And you can win a war, you just need ammunition, in this case facts and data. And memes are not facts and anecdotes are not data.
Right, trips of 500 miles, but you dont just drive 500 without stopping, do you?
And no, unless you are getting gas for $1.50 a gallon
As for battery replacements, again, you take one case from an edge case and think it applies to every EV out there. Warranty's are eight years and 100K. Chances are high that if you have a bad pack, you will know before then. And the batteries will get less expensive as production scales, that's one reason for the that 20K battery, it was for a very limited run vehicle and there simply were not many produced.
In ten years, you will likely be able to purchase a repaired pack or have yours repaired.
Kinnakeet
Well-Known Member
glhs837
Power with Control
Sure can be recycled. And in the long run, every vehicle ends up in the scrap heap. Was just in a local yard pulling a positive battery harness from a 1996 Cherokee last week.
And are we going to use the length of warranty coverage to indicate when a vehicle becomes a hunk of junk? Seems a poor indication. We could go to data, you know, that stuff made up of information? Or are we going to just stick with calling things names?
www.caranddriver.com
And are we going to use the length of warranty coverage to indicate when a vehicle becomes a hunk of junk? Seems a poor indication. We could go to data, you know, that stuff made up of information? Or are we going to just stick with calling things names?
Electric Car Battery Life: Everything You Need to Know
The battery packs of electric vehicles are quite resilient, with the lithium-ion type used in most modern EVs capable of lasting at least a decade before needing replacement.
Well this was an enlightening little tidbit.Electric Car Battery Life: Everything You Need to Know
The battery packs of electric vehicles are quite resilient, with the lithium-ion type used in most modern EVs capable of lasting at least a decade before needing replacement.
Sneakers
Just sneakin' around....
Yup. Convenient little fact that people seem to be ignoring in the desire of fast charging. Slow charging has always been better for a battery.
Grumpy
Well-Known Member
Cool, drive 200 miles then trickle charge for 24 hours...
I always laugh at these projections made for this kind of crap, you know when CFL's came out they were supposed to last like ten years or so, we used to change them out in about three due to the degradation of the lamp. The same with LED's they were supposed to last some insane amount of time with no change in the actual light being produced, next door neighbor has four floodlamp type LED's I see them every night shining on her sidewalk believe me when I say that they are not even half as bright as they were after two years. What the manufacturer claims their product will do vs what they actually achieve, usually there is quite a bit of hope and dreams involved. History will tell the tale on EV's.
Kinnakeet
Well-Known Member
Hard to tell...lolSure can be recycled. And in the long run, every vehicle ends up in the scrap heap. Was just in a local yard pulling a positive battery harness from a 1996 Cherokee last week.
And are we going to use the length of warranty coverage to indicate when a vehicle becomes a hunk of junk? Seems a poor indication. We could go to data, you know, that stuff made up of information? Or are we going to just stick with calling things names?
Electric Car Battery Life: Everything You Need to Know
The battery packs of electric vehicles are quite resilient, with the lithium-ion type used in most modern EVs capable of lasting at least a decade before needing replacement.
kwillia
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11 Hidden Costs of Owning an Electric Car
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