You mean all the people virtue signaling and buying them now?
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glhs837
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EV battery health concerns appear overblown, according to new data
New data from Recurrent shows that concerns about EV battery health are wildly overblown, with most owners never replacing their batteries.
www.teslarati.com
Sound familiar?
Yep. Very familiar.EV battery health concerns appear overblown, according to new data
New data from Recurrent shows that concerns about EV battery health are wildly overblown, with most owners never replacing their batteries.
Sound familiar?
Apple said the same thing.
I've replaced my iPhone6s Plus battery twice.
Yep! Sure does more B.S. But you have to read the comments in the article to get a somewhat different take on the subject.EV battery health concerns appear overblown, according to new data
New data from Recurrent shows that concerns about EV battery health are wildly overblown, with most owners never replacing their batteries.
Sound familiar?
glhs837
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Well, here they are. All of the comments. Which ones present a different take?. I see Tom, one comment.
Chungobungo13 hours ago
I am bookmarking this to post to any of the endless FUDsters that I see about.
John James 11 hours ago
Same thing I have experiences, my Model Y dropped from 326 to 302 range in the first 5,000 miles and has stayed there ever since.
windbourne John James10 hours ago
That is normal to all Li-ion.
Chris John James3 hours ago
My model 3 did the same, although I noticed it was actually age related. Degraded steadily for the first 6 months then flatlined.
This makes sense given how these batteries age.
Some manufacturers hide this behind a buffer, when new the car underreports range until degredation uses up the buffer. I think this is to reduce customer concerns and give a more consistent user experience. You can see the effect of it on some of the car graphs in the article. Tesla don't appear to have this buffer. All cars including Tesla have an additional buffer so the battery is never completely full or completely empty, this is to improve life of the battery pack.and is also hidden from the customer.
Ramon Zarat11 hours ago
Model S rank brought down by the fact it was released first, a long time ago, with older tech. Pretty sure Model S sold in the last 5 years have much less battery replacement.
Tom610 Ramon Zarat10 hours ago
Model S 100kWh is not older tech, yet it has a tremendous degradation problem.
needa8 hours ago
How many Ioniqs with 80k miles are in that? The flatlining is because one car went that far. Without knowing the age and mileage of every vehicle in the survey, including those that replaced, this hole thing is pointless
SteveMayfield 12 hours ago
So you replace the battery about as often as a transmission (and at about the same cost). Good to know....
Luvhrtz SteveMayfield9 hours ago
No. My MS has over 200,000 miles and +90% battery. Mine is probably better than most but not an outlier at all. Tons of data on higher mileage BEVs support how the batteries last and last.
Simon Luvhrtz2 hours ago
you're not alone, My X (P100D) is over 200K miles, 6 years old and seems to be ~6% down from new.
Philip Grice SteveMayfield6 hours ago
Two of my friends just had the transmissions in their Jaguars rebuilt. German ZF transmissions. One cost $14,000 and the other $17,000. I told them they should have had them converted into EVs.
Ken Shouldice 11 hours ago
I expect to get a million miles out my MYP.
I hope that the range is closer to 70% than 50% by then.
Kevin J. Rice Ken Shouldice8 hours ago
It's my understanding that 2170 nickel cells have more power (good for MYP acceleration) but last fewer cycles than LFP batteries. This isn't to say that it's not worth it, you may be right to have chosen MYP since it starts out a higher range and stops declining after a while, but I think over 6000+ cycles the LFP cars will end up with better range retention, based on Gissege Limiting Factor descriptions, mostly.
Chris Kevin J. Rice4 hours ago
6000 cycles is 1.5m miles. Most new car buyers are not going to be choosing the lowest spec verses highest spec Tesla based on its ability to travel that far.
The benefit of having a million mile battery is not the ability to cover a million miles, but to cover 150k miles without worries.
Jess12 hours ago
Is there not a graph that shows range hitting 0 when the battery fails? No data beyond 100k miles?
BigWu Jess11 hours ago edited
FTA: “Due to the relative novelty of electric vehicles on the market, significant amounts of data are not currently available on the effect of mileage above 100,000 miles.”
Only two cars, the Tesla Model S (neé in 2012) and Nissan Leaf (2011) are sufficiently old enough to have data, with the Leaf’s far more limited due to its very limited range (73 miles EPA) crimping the number that would have crossed the 100k mile threshold.
The Model S does have robust data past 100k miles though (a single model, but there it is). At 125k-150k miles, 90% of original range remains. At 200k miles, ~85% remains.
Anecdotally, my 2013 MS is spot on these numbers, with 90% of original range at 140k miles (-1% average per year). It also matches the flattening curve, with no noticeable loss in range since about 100k miles.
Luvhrtz BigWu9 hours ago
Tons do better than you are posting. My own is over 200,000 miles and is still +90%.
Nate24 minutes ago
What about former EV owners who didn't replace the battery because it was prohibitively expensive?
Without that data, you're literally just tracking people that didn't have a problem, not everyone.
Alan Wilson 4 hours ago
Good stuff ... the battery management systems are getting better every year...
As is the pressure that the consumer are putting on to the EV manufacturers to investing into better batterys and systems...
It maybe a nice little business to get into testing EV batterys, repair and replace ..
glhs837
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Yep. Very familiar.
Apple said the same thing.
I've replaced my iPhone6s Plus battery twice.
Pity your Iphone doesn't have a robust battery management system with coolant and all.
Lol
glhs837
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EVs Are The Yugo Of The 21st Century
Way back in the mid-1980s, communist Yugoslavia exported the Yugo, a compact car that sold for around $4,000. It was so poorly made that bumping into a pole at 5 mph could total it.
Fast forward to today, and a new class of cars has a similar problem. A minor accident can cause a total loss, even if the car’s been driven only a few miles. The only difference is that these cars aren’t cheap imports from some godforsaken socialist state. These are state-of-art electric vehicles that come with an average sticker price of $55,000.
Why are insurance companies totaling low-mileage EVs that have been in a fender bender? For the same reason you could total a new Yugo when backing out of a parking spot. The cost of repair is exorbitant.
As Reuters reported recently, “For many electric vehicles, there is no way to repair or assess even slightly damaged battery packs after accidents,” which means the only viable option is to replace the battery, which represents about half the cost of the car.
A replacement battery for a $44,000 Tesla Model 3 can cost up to $20,000.
Nope just yankin your chain early! LOLShorthand for "I got nothing". Ok
Kinnakeet
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They are junk
Elon Musk’s swelling inventories of unsold Tesla cars has Wall Street worried
Tesla’s record first-quarter vehicle sales belie growing concerns that CEO Elon Musk’s inventory of unsold vehicles is reaching unhealthy dimensions despite the generous use of rebates to move metal.
Shares, which rallied more than 6% on Friday ahead of this weekend’s results, are indicated to open lower as investors are expected to take profit on their recent bullish bets.
Despite juicing sluggish demand with price cuts the world over, Musk eked out an increase of only 4.3% in deliveries over the final three months of December. The fear is the desire to claim yet another record will come at the cost of its prized margins.
In a worrying sign, excess supply as reported by Tesla hit 13 days’ worth of sales at last quarter’s pace, a two-thirds increase over the year’s end and its highest since the third quarter of 2020 drew to a close.
Independent analysts calculate the level to be north of that official figure.
finance.yahoo.com
Elon needs more disciples.
Tesla’s record first-quarter vehicle sales belie growing concerns that CEO Elon Musk’s inventory of unsold vehicles is reaching unhealthy dimensions despite the generous use of rebates to move metal.
Shares, which rallied more than 6% on Friday ahead of this weekend’s results, are indicated to open lower as investors are expected to take profit on their recent bullish bets.
Despite juicing sluggish demand with price cuts the world over, Musk eked out an increase of only 4.3% in deliveries over the final three months of December. The fear is the desire to claim yet another record will come at the cost of its prized margins.
In a worrying sign, excess supply as reported by Tesla hit 13 days’ worth of sales at last quarter’s pace, a two-thirds increase over the year’s end and its highest since the third quarter of 2020 drew to a close.
Independent analysts calculate the level to be north of that official figure.
Elon Musk’s swelling inventories of unsold Tesla cars have Wall Street worried
Even by Tesla’s own official count, the number of cars in stock is reaching levels not seen since the third quarter of 2020—despite the generous use of rebates to entice consumers.
Elon needs more disciples.
Sneakers
Just sneakin' around....
There were a relatively static number of people who wanted a Tesla, bought them up like crazy when released, but now the market has hit saturation, the target audience has been satiated. Any further sales are going to need to be ICE-to-EV converts who weren't maybe looking to own an EV just yet.
glhs837
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Same half truths with an Aussie accent Heres a bit of good news though...
www.teslarati.com
I found this bit interesting, bolding mine
So LG chem is getting enough for 1/2 a million cars at 50K tons. Teslas getting 125K tons.......
Heres a bit of good news though...
Tesla lithium supply to come from Quebec
Tesla will be receiving lithium supplies from Quebec, giving it an edge in meeting the IRA's battery requirements for EV tax credits.
www.teslarati.com
I found this bit interesting, bolding mine
So LG chem is getting enough for 1/2 a million cars at 50K tons. Teslas getting 125K tons.......
glhs837
Power with Control
Anyone see Rams announcement of specs for the production Rev 1500?
www.motortrend.com
Not sure how they can keep it affordable with "planet sized" battery packs. Efficiency matters, and if you need a larger batter than a 10,000lb Hummer to get 500 miles, thats saying something.......
2025 Ram REV Just a Regular 1500 Truck With Electric Underpants
The electrified Ram combines the old 1500 body with a new EV chassis.
Not sure how they can keep it affordable with "planet sized" battery packs. Efficiency matters, and if you need a larger batter than a 10,000lb Hummer to get 500 miles, thats saying something.......
glhs837
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Lithium Amérique du Nord · 500 Rte Québec Lithium, La Corne, QC J0Y 1R0, Canada
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Looks horrible.
Or charging stations installed nationwide at at taxpayer expense.