You might as well mate with your EV, you're already getting f**ked!In many ways they are already better depending on use case. Cost to operate usually way lower if you can charge at home or don't rely on Superchargers in really high rate areas. Bet folks used to say cars would never be as good as horses too"What, your car cant just mate with another one and make you a new car?".
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Kinnakeet
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What can an EV do better than a ICE carIn many ways they are already better depending on use case. Cost to operate usually way lower if you can charge at home or don't rely on Superchargers in really high rate areas. Bet folks used to say cars would never be as good as horses too
glhs837
Power with Control
Kinda hard since I don't own one
1. Brake service costs. Especially if you pay people for that sort of work. Rotor change and new pads every 60K. Thats say $500 or better every time.
2. Cost to fuel for another.
It's Still Cheaper To Drive 100 Miles In An Electric Car
Is it really cheaper to drive an EV 100 miles than it is to do so in a gas-powered car? Yes, it is. Here we run the numbers to prove it.
insideevs.com
4. Handle better (love me some low CG)
5. Time savings over visiting gas stations every week to week and a half. (unless you are a travelling salesman).
Of course, not every EV will do these things, no more than all ICE vehicles are the same.
Tesla Model 3 crushes gas vehicle competition in reliability study
The Tesla Model 3 has annihilated its internal combustion engine (ICE) counterparts in a new reliability study from Germany.
www.teslarati.com
I guess you know this from personal experience or just parroting?Kinda hard since I don't own one
1. Brake service costs. Especially if you pay people for that sort of work. Rotor change and new pads every 60K. Thats say $500 or better every time.
2. Cost to fuel for another.
3. Accelerate betterIt's Still Cheaper To Drive 100 Miles In An Electric Car
Is it really cheaper to drive an EV 100 miles than it is to do so in a gas-powered car? Yes, it is. Here we run the numbers to prove it.
4. Handle better (love me some low CG)
5. Time savings over visiting gas stations every week to week and a half. (unless you are a travelling salesman).
Of course, not every EV will do these things, no more than all ICE vehicles are the same.
Tesla Model 3 crushes gas vehicle competition in reliability study
The Tesla Model 3 has annihilated its internal combustion engine (ICE) counterparts in a new reliability study from Germany.
glhs837
Power with Control
No, it's just funny thing called research and you don't just ask the two people you happen to know but you actually go out and get statistical data to back up what you think. But if you apply a little bit of logic to things, you'll understand why a vehicle that uses the electrical motor to slow you down for 99% of your braking action. You won't use the friction brakes all that much. Fuel and electrical, these are known values. You can plug in your local energy costs and do some math
Then you are just parroting, which is exactly what I thought, dismissed!
glhs837
Power with Control
So you're new position is that no information that you have not personally experienced is "parroting" and not relevant? No matter how well sourced?
Driving around the southern Norway coastline today with a long-time colleague and engineer...he commented on why he'd decided to avoid the electric car bandwagon and keep his diesel cars. The stunning increases in the cost of electricity here have really started to knock the luster off of the all-electric trend for the average person.
glhs837
Power with Control
Here's some context on why. Lessons. Don't put all your energy eggs in one basket. Don't enter agreements that require you to screw your citizens over.
Norwegians, shocked by rising hydro bills, change old habits and rethink what to do with oil wealth
Weather, the war in Ukraine and European economic factors have sent electricity rates soaring in a country used to abundant power. Will it tap into its enormous sovereign wealth fund to ease the pain?
www.theglobeandmail.com
Also look like there's been some shenanigans in charging price methodologies.
Norway horrified as new rates make EV charging prices higher than petrol
Electric car charging rate hike draws backlash from EV owners who say new rates make powering an electric vehicle more expensive than fossil fuels.
thedriven.io
Now I have been to Norway within the last year but I didn't drive or charge an EV there so I don't think any of this information is actually allowed...
So you freely admit your post was a complete waste of bandwidth.Now I have been to Norway within the last year but I didn't drive or charge an EV there so I don't think any of this information is actually allowed...
Yes as usual.So you freely admit your post was a complete waste of bandwidth.
No my position is all you do is parroting, want a cracker?
glhs837
Power with Control
Posting relevant articles is parroting?
You got it finally Polly! Especially when you yourself refuse to own one!
glhs837
Power with Control
Only because the one that fits my use case and requirements hasn't been built yet. If I were in need of a sedan or small SUV I would. But I have one of each in the fleet right now.
My sarcasm was missed. It often is.
Maybe but usually it is spot on and humorous!
PeoplesElbow
Well-Known Member
Market cap is a pretty bullshit way to compare mature companies to one considered a growth company. Fords price to book is close to 1 and Teslas is over 12. So when you look at the book value they are very comparable.
PeoplesElbow
Well-Known Member
I'm not an EV hater like some on here but some of these points are not that great.Kinda hard since I don't own one
1. Brake service costs. Especially if you pay people for that sort of work. Rotor change and new pads every 60K. Thats say $500 or better every time.
2. Cost to fuel for another.
3. Accelerate betterIt's Still Cheaper To Drive 100 Miles In An Electric Car
Is it really cheaper to drive an EV 100 miles than it is to do so in a gas-powered car? Yes, it is. Here we run the numbers to prove it.
4. Handle better (love me some low CG)
5. Time savings over visiting gas stations every week to week and a half. (unless you are a travelling salesman).
Of course, not every EV will do these things, no more than all ICE vehicles are the same.
Tesla Model 3 crushes gas vehicle competition in reliability study
The Tesla Model 3 has annihilated its internal combustion engine (ICE) counterparts in a new reliability study from Germany.
1. Hybrid same
4. Arguable, depending on the platform, but having a heavy battery at the bottom of the vehicle does help
5. Absolute bullshit for many, I see the same people sitting at the chargers outside Harris Teeter for 30-35 minutes every time I go, do these people go there every day after work to charge? I gas up my hybrid about once a month for normal commuting.
glhs837
Power with Control
Strictly looking at survivability over the longer term was my point there. I wasnt looking at market cap, it was just in that chart.
1. True. But if your battery is close to full, you get little to no regen.
4. Everything is platform dependant. Apples to apples, of course.
5. "Many" is a variable thing. If there are 300 Teslas in St Marys, and you see the same four people every time. that's a pretty small percentage. Its true there are people who buy who cannot charge at home. Stupid choice, IMO as it does wipe out a lot of the benefit, both in time and money.
Looks like about 80% of owners do charge at home.
5 charts that shed new light on how people charge EVs at home
A new report draws on 10 years of detailed data to chart charger use patterns, as well as how they can work as home backup and grid-balancing tools.