Explain please

[johnycarcinogen]

First of all, the ark was, as many have said, huge. Big enough to house more than twice the number of known animals we have in the world today. (BTW - that number is nowhere near a million. It is more along the lines of 30,000) Remember, many animals have adapted due to their climates. So most likely there weren't EVERY type dog we know of today. They have adapted since that time. I read where the dachshund has shrunk 4-6 inches in the last 300 years alone, adapting to its needs. There are butterflies, the EXACT same species, that look nothing alike because they have adapted to the areas where they live. And as for food, most likely God caused a deep sleep to come upon them so that the problems you have brought up didn't occur, like a lion eating a goat. It isn't known. Also, the Bible says that God brought the animals to Noah, so He decided what animals were there. And finally, the ark, to my knowledge, has never been recovered. It is most likely under 100 feet of snow and ice on Mt Ararat.

So you believe in evolution?

 

[Xaquin44]

Noah didn't have to get 2 of each species, he had to get a certain number of each clean species and a certain amount of others (I can't remember off hand). Either way, it would have been impossible in about a hundred different ways.

 

[PrchJrkr]

Noah didn't have to get 2 of each species, he had to get a certain number of each clean species and a certain amount of others (I can't remember off hand). Either way, it would have been impossible in about a hundred different ways, without God who can perform miracles.

:fixed:

 

[Xaquin44]

:fixed:

no, not really.

 

[PrchJrkr]

no, not really.

Well, you should be.

 

[Xaquin44]

Well, you should be.

you first.

 

[itsbob]

First of all, the ark was, as many have said, huge. Big enough to house more than twice the number of known animals we have in the world today. (BTW - that number is nowhere near a million. It is more along the lines of 30,000) Remember, many animals have adapted due to their climates. So most likely there weren't EVERY type dog we know of today. They have adapted since that time. I read where the dachshund has shrunk 4-6 inches in the last 300 years alone, adapting to its needs. There are butterflies, the EXACT same species, that look nothing alike because they have adapted to the areas where they live. And as for food, most likely God caused a deep sleep to come upon them so that the problems you have brought up didn't occur, like a lion eating a goat. It isn't known. Also, the Bible says that God brought the animals to Noah, so He decided what animals were there. And finally, the ark, to my knowledge, has never been recovered. It is most likely under 100 feet of snow and ice on Mt Ararat.

How did the animals from the Americas get to the Ark?? The animals from Africa?? The Arctic?? How did the Wombat get there.. or the Platypus??

Did they have sub-arks, that fed the main Ark? Little arks built all over the world to congregate all the animals in one place to get on the BIG uber-ark? The Graham Ark in America that sailed to Palestine 2 years before Noah began construction on his Ark?

 

[itsbob]

What kind of water flooded the entire earth?? Salt water? How did the Trout Survive? Fresh Water.. how did the Ocean's animals survive??

 

[wxtornado]

What kind of water flooded the entire earth?? Salt water? How did the Trout Survive? Fresh Water.. how did the Ocean's animals survive??

I'm not surprised to see this thread avoided by the theists here - the Flood event is one of the most damning things to the validity of the bible as a historical record.

 

[This_person]

I'm not surprised to see this thread avoided by the theists here - the Flood event is one of the most damning things to the validity of the bible as a historical record.

Actually, the same tired arguments of each side just get old.

Was it the whole earth, or the whole known earth at the time? Does it matter? Are there archeological finds that back-up a huge flood (yes)? Is it physically impossible to get every single creature alive (that we suspect) at the time into a boat of that size (probably)? If it was only the known world, or human occupied world, is THAT possible (probably)? Does "two of every kind" possibly mean something else (sperm and egg, etc., etc.) (could be)?

Again, does it matter (no)? Proving "the Bible as historical record" has never, ever been the point. It is not a text book. It is not a history book. It is not a science book. It is a collection of books written by many people over extensive periods of time that relates the story of God from Creation to End of Times (for humans as mortal creatures), and tells us how we should live our lives, why we should live that way (to glorify our diety, not carrot and stick............still), etc., etc.

If you're looking for a history book out of the Bible, you will certainly be able to prove it is not a complete history book. Congratulations, you proved the obvious and submitted to

 

[wxtornado]

Actually, the same tired arguments of each side just get old.

Was it the whole earth, or the whole known earth at the time? Does it matter? Are there archeological finds that back-up a huge flood (yes)? Is it physically impossible to get every single creature alive (that we suspect) at the time into a boat of that size (probably)? If it was only the known world, or human occupied world, is THAT possible (probably)? Does "two of every kind" possibly mean something else (sperm and egg, etc., etc.) (could be)?

Again, does it matter (no)? Proving "the Bible as historical record" has never, ever been the point. It is not a text book. It is not a history book. It is not a science book. It is a collection of books written by many people over extensive periods of time that relates the story of God from Creation to End of Times (for humans as mortal creatures), and tells us how we should live our lives, why we should live that way (to glorify our diety, not carrot and stick............still), etc., etc.

If you're looking for a history book out of the Bible, you will certainly be able to prove it is not a complete history book. Congratulations, you proved the obvious and submitted to

It doesn't matter? Wait, isn't this from the very blueprint that defines your whole worldview? Is the flood story the only part that doesn't matter?

 

[wxtornado]

Then the question wasnt directed at you.

Others on here do take it as a Word for Word, no doubt about it, EVERYTHING is the TRVTH, if its not in the Bible it didnt happen, if it is in the Bible then its EXACTLY what it states, belief.

You know what Nucklesack, most Christians are of the cherry-picking variety.

For instance, they may want the 10 Commandments on the walls of our judicial institutions, but they'll forego stoning adulterers or killing gays or children who speak disrespectfully to their parents, or people who do not keepeth the Sabbath a holy day.

Or they'll keep the ressurection of Christ as an absolute historical fact, but the same "facts" of Genesis are "metaphorical", even though there's nothing in a literary sense to define Genesis as anything but "factual", and of course, in order for there to be a need for Jesus's crucifixion in the first place, the Fall from Grace in the Garden had to have taken place.

So in the end, like most people of religious inclination, they select from some of their worldview, and ignore the stuff that doesn't fit or they don't like.

Arguably, while I find Christians in general to be somewhat intellectually dishonest, it's a coin toss as to who is the greater violator: The fundamentalist, while insistent upon fallacious arguments that self-collapse and uncompromising when it comes to any evidence that conflicts with their worldview, is still on firm ground in being mindnumbingly dedicated to their worldview. The liberal Christians with their cherry picking and some who even go so far as to eviscerate their own belief system by insisting that Hell doesn't exist, or "There are many paths to God and paradise" platitiudes, just comes across as completely disconnected to the very worldview they insist is the truth. Sheesh!

 

[This_person]

Then the question wasnt directed at you.

Others on here do take it as a Word for Word, no doubt about it, EVERYTHING is the TRVTH, if its not in the Bible it didnt happen, if it is in the Bible then its EXACTLY what it states, belief.

You know this, and hopefully you realize that YOUR (This_Persons) interpretation is much milder than those, who the question was asked to.

Well, I do believe it is THE TRUTH. Period. I don't believe that the stories are false. I do believe there was a guy named Noah, there was a God that warned Noah of The Flood, guided Noah in building an ark, etc., etc. My point is that the stories are not 100% of the story. Basic logic argument:

Statement - if it's not in the Bible, it didn't happen.
I am not in the Bible directly.
I exist.
My dad is not directly in the Bible.
My dad exists.
There is no mention of any of my grandchildren in the Bible.
One day, I hope my grandchildren will exist - and, if they do......
Therefore, the Bible does not contain everything that is, was, or will happen.

That does not detract from the truth of what is in there. Arguing that it's incomplete would be like saying 2+2=4 is 100% of mathematics, and if I can prove there are other mathematics, then 2+2=4 is no longer true!

 

[This_person]

It doesn't matter?

No, the minute details do not matter. It is the substance of the story that matters, and I leave it to the anal retentive to argue the minutiae.

Wait, isn't this from the very blueprint that defines your whole worldview?

No, it's but a single part (albeit a huge part) of what defines my world view.

Is the flood story the only part that doesn't matter?

I did not say the flood story doesn't matter. I said that whether it was the whole world or the whole known world to man at the time didn't matter. I implied that it didn't matter whether every single variation of every single species of every single animal type made it on the ark, or whether it was seed and egg of each of these animals, or whether it was just the animals that were available and known to Noah that were on the ark didn't matter. These truely insignificant details are not fully explored because they have no real meaning to the issues at hand.

 

[This_person]

You know what Nucklesack, most Christians are of the cherry-picking variety.

For instance, they may want the 10 Commandments on the walls of our judicial institutions, but they'll forego stoning adulterers or killing gays or children who speak disrespectfully to their parents, or people who do not keepeth the Sabbath a holy day.

Or they'll keep the ressurection of Christ as an absolute historical fact, but the same "facts" of Genesis are "metaphorical", even though there's nothing in a literary sense to define Genesis as anything but "factual", and of course, in order for there to be a need for Jesus's crucifixion in the first place, the Fall from Grace in the Garden had to have taken place.

So in the end, like most people of religious inclination, they select from some of their worldview, and ignore the stuff that doesn't fit or they don't like.

Arguably, while I find Christians in general to be somewhat intellectually dishonest, it's a coin toss as to who is the greater violator: The fundamentalist, while insistent upon fallacious arguments that self-collapse and uncompromising when it comes to any evidence that conflicts with their worldview, is still on firm ground in being mindnumbingly dedicated to their worldview. The liberal Christians with their cherry picking and some who even go so far as to eviscerate their own belief system by insisting that Hell doesn't exist, or "There are many paths to God and paradise" platitiudes, just comes across as completely disconnected to the very worldview they insist is the truth. Sheesh!

Wow, such vitriol. Unfounded and inaccurate, but hey, everybody is entitled to their opinion.

 

[punjabigyrl]

Why?
God comanded Noah to pack a breeding pair of every animal known. He says this to a Jewish guy in 1,000 bc. How many animals do you think were known to the man that recieved the directive?

Noah probably didn't know that many animals. However, Since God wanted him to put a breeding pair maybe he led all the animals to the boat.

 

[frozenrain]

I'm not surprised to see this thread avoided by the theists here - the Flood event is one of the most damning things to the validity of the bible as a historical record.

Noahs ark

 

[Xaquin44]

Noahs ark

yes .... that was the subject

 

[frozenrain]

yes .... that was the subject

I am sorry think I replied to the wrong quote.No I am being a bit naughty and will rightly so exit this thread until I have an intelligent thought to express

I steer clear of the religious threads as I know I will offend someone...

 

[Xaquin44]

I am sorry think I replied to the wrong quote.No I am being a bit naughty and will rightly so exit this thread until I have an intelligent thought to express

I steer clear of the religious threads as I know I will offend someone...

ah don't worry about offending anyone here.

If I haven't posted it, someone else has.