Explosive Noise Heard Late Afternoon Today

PrepH4U

New Member
saltydog said:
That's an appropriate response, but when the airfield closes and 5000 jobs leave Pax River, who are you going to blame? This self-important A-hole, or the persons responsible for disturbing the peace in two counties.
:tantrum
Oh the sky is falling the sky is falling! :duel: I would blame the BRAC team and not an occurance of low flying a/c or sonic booms that are going through testing which are the lively hood of the base.
 

tomchamp

New Member
"SALTY DOG NEEDS TO RELAX"

They have broke the sound barrier around here before, and it has not become a major public complaint. Someone posted a tread here saying they heard a "Noise" and just wondered what is was. And now that they know. They are pobably saying, "COOL" "AWSOME" "I WISH I SAW IT". They are not talking about calling their congressman or nothing. Just wondering what it might have been. "somdfan" just wanted to know if anyone else may have heard it and was wondering what it was. As far as whether the airplane was over land or not is not the issue(I doubt it was over land). It's not like they did a low level 200' off the ground and blew all the windows out in Wildewood. It was a "BOOM" off in the distance, like thunder, yes it will make the windows rattle a little, just like thunder, but nobody was hurt and there was no reported damage.

RELAX SALTY
 

PrepH4U

New Member
tomchamp said:
They have broke the sound barrier around here before, and it has not become a major public complaint. Someone posted a tread here saying they heard a "Noise" and just wondered what is was. And now that they know. They are pobably saying, "COOL" "AWSOME" "I WISH I SAW IT". They are not talking about calling their congressman or nothing. Just wondering what it might have been. "somdfan" just wanted to know if anyone else may have heard it and was wondering what it was. As far as whether the airplane was over land or not is not the issue(I doubt it was over land). It's not like they did a low level 200' off the ground and blew all the windows out in Wildewood. It was a "BOOM" off in the distance, like thunder, yes it will make the windows rattle a little, just like thunder, but nobody was hurt and there was no reported damage.

RELAX SALTY
exactly! :high5:
 

Freedhem

Roid Hunter in training
PrepH4U said:
Just for you salty.....

All I know is it scared me, being so long since I heard one. Not a problem now that I know what it was, but I looked out a window for some kind of cloud thinking it was a crash.
 

saltydog

New Member
Frankie Say's Relax

tomchamp said:
They have broke the sound barrier around here before, and it has not become a major public complaint. Someone posted a tread here saying they heard a "Noise" and just wondered what is was. And now that they know. They are pobably saying, "COOL" "AWSOME" "I WISH I SAW IT". They are not talking about calling their congressman or nothing. Just wondering what it might have been. "somdfan" just wanted to know if anyone else may have heard it and was wondering what it was. As far as whether the airplane was over land or not is not the issue(I doubt it was over land). It's not like they did a low level 200' off the ground and blew all the windows out in Wildewood. It was a "BOOM" off in the distance, like thunder, yes it will make the windows rattle a little, just like thunder, but nobody was hurt and there was no reported damage.

RELAX SALTY


Yes, there was reported damage and that's why NAS Police, EPA and FAA are involved, broken pictures, cracked foundations etc. I personally don't believe it could have broken foundations, but it did move the ceiling tiles in my building.

No, I will not RELAX!!! Anyone who threatens the livelyhood of myself and my coworkers, I will critisize publically, privately and professionally. Whomever authorized the continuation of this flight was NOT legally authorized to do so. Plain and simple.

The law explicitly prohibits Sonic Booms over populated areas. Anyone who purposefully does so is breaking Federal Law.

I'm not trying to fry anyone here, but someone needs to step up and take responsibility for their bad judgement.

:stooges:
 

PrepH4U

New Member
saltydog said:
Yes, there was reported damage and that's why NAS Police, EPA and FAA are involved, broken pictures, cracked foundations etc. I personally don't believe it could have broken foundations, but it did move the ceiling tiles in my building.

No, I will not RELAX!!! Anyone who threatens the livelyhood of myself and my coworkers, I will critisize publically, privately and professionally. Whomever authorized the continuation of this flight was NOT legally authorized to do so. Plain and simple.

The law explicitly prohibits Sonic Booms over populated areas. Anyone who purposefully does so is breaking Federal Law.

I'm not trying to fry anyone here, but someone needs to step up and take responsibility for their bad judgement.

:stooges:
Oh you know what? I am not as nice as the people just telling you to relax. You just need to STFU! Oh welcome to the forums! :lmao:
(see bored Mommy I was kind also)!
 

tomchamp

New Member
How did they get involved

"that's why NAS Police, EPA and FAA are involved"

Did someone call(you salty)? EPA? Did the sonic boom somehow hurt the bay. PLEASE
now the rock fish are complaining.
 

PrepH4U

New Member
tomchamp said:
"that's why NAS Police, EPA and FAA are involved"

Did someone call(you salty)? EPA? Did the sonic boom somehow hurt the bay. PLEASE
now the rock fish are complaining.
:lmao:
I heard the National Guard was called out to quell the rioting by the blue crabs!
 

saltydog

New Member
Ken King said:

http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode49/usc_sec_49_00044715----000-.html

NWS3june-8. NAS Patuxent River operations approved by
environmental impact study
by Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division Public Affairs
PATUXENT RIVER, Md. (NWS) -- The Patuxent River, Md.,
complex is the first Navy flight test range to officially
gain approval of an environmental impact study (EIS) on its
comprehensive operations.
The record of decision (ROD), which was published in the
Federal Register May 27, closes a more than two-year process
of environmental review on the potential impacts of flights
and related ground operations.
"We undertook this environmental study because we strive
to be good environmental stewards," said Capt. Paul E.
Roberts, Patuxent River Naval Air Station commanding
officer. "Having this study in place will also save a
tremendous amount of time and money because the EIS covers
so much of our work, both current and potential."
The EIS identified the maximum number of flight hours
Patuxent River can conduct without impacting the environment
-- up to 24,400 flight hours per year. "However," said
Roberts, "this does not mean that Patuxent River will be
increasing its flight hours. The ceiling is thousands of
hours fewer than we flew in the 1980s."
The decision puts the complex on solid environmental
footing and positions it for the future.
"A record of decision for this new operations level gives
us the flexibility we'll need to remain a viable place to
test aircraft," said Timothy S. Smith, executive director,
NAS.
The EIS covers flight hours and related operations under
particular parameters. Aviation programs and activities that
fall under this EIS will save more than two years and at
least $200,000 each, the amount of time and funding needed
to undertake an independent environmental impact statement.
Some programs and activities, such as new operations, will
still need separate environmental documentation to meet the
requirements of the National Environmental Policy Act and
other environmental regulations.
Although environmental analyses conducted for the document
showed no significant impact on the environment from flight
increases, NAS will still respond to concerns brought to
light during EIS public meetings and hearings.
"The process we undertook for the EIS opened a fantastic
dialogue with our neighbors," Roberts said. "We plan to
continue that dialogue and implement procedures to mitigate
those areas in which the community has expressed a concern.
That's why we wrote an implementation plan and made that
plan part of the actual ROD."
Highlights of this plan include increasing aviator
awareness of community concerns, installing sonic boom
sensors at points throughout the Chesapeake Test Range and
improving the noise tracking and response system.
In addition, the plan calls for altering unmanned
aerial vehicle routes and changing the use of the outdoor
test facility on the Patuxent River. The plan also calls for
improving community coordination and notification.
-USN-


Supreme court decision:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=406&invol=797


CNO directive:

http://neds.daps.dla.mil/Directives/5090/twenty.pdf :lmao:
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
I wonder if one would get a bigger headache from the loud sonic boom, or from reading this thread.....I feel a poll coming on! :jet:
 

saltydog

New Member
tomchamp said:
"that's why NAS Police, EPA and FAA are involved"

Did someone call(you salty)? EPA? Did the sonic boom somehow hurt the bay. PLEASE
now the rock fish are complaining.

No, you blithering idiot. I did not call the EPA, but there was nearly 1,000 complaints about the incident. If you don't believe me call the Sheriffs of St. Mary's and Calvert, the Maryland State police and NAS Police.

I'd really like to keep my job.

The Sound of Freedom crew here doesn't seem to give a %$*. You have a God given right to do whatever you want.

God help us all!!!
 

tomchamp

New Member
Could not find

blithering tried three online Dictionaries. no such word.

But I Did Find These:

Nothing is as terrible to see as ignorance in action. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Behind every argument is someone's ignorance. Robert Benchley

A person is never happy except at the price of some ignorance. Anatole France

Good Night Salty!! :notworthy
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
saltydog said:
http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode49/usc_sec_49_00044715----000-.html

NWS3june-8. NAS Patuxent River operations approved by
environmental impact study
by Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division Public Affairs
PATUXENT RIVER, Md. (NWS) -- The Patuxent River, Md.,
complex is the first Navy flight test range to officially
gain approval of an environmental impact study (EIS) on its
comprehensive operations.
The record of decision (ROD), which was published in the
Federal Register May 27, closes a more than two-year process
of environmental review on the potential impacts of flights
and related ground operations.
"We undertook this environmental study because we strive
to be good environmental stewards," said Capt. Paul E.
Roberts, Patuxent River Naval Air Station commanding
officer. "Having this study in place will also save a
tremendous amount of time and money because the EIS covers
so much of our work, both current and potential."
The EIS identified the maximum number of flight hours
Patuxent River can conduct without impacting the environment
-- up to 24,400 flight hours per year. "However," said
Roberts, "this does not mean that Patuxent River will be
increasing its flight hours. The ceiling is thousands of
hours fewer than we flew in the 1980s."
The decision puts the complex on solid environmental
footing and positions it for the future.
"A record of decision for this new operations level gives
us the flexibility we'll need to remain a viable place to
test aircraft," said Timothy S. Smith, executive director,
NAS.
The EIS covers flight hours and related operations under
particular parameters. Aviation programs and activities that
fall under this EIS will save more than two years and at
least $200,000 each, the amount of time and funding needed
to undertake an independent environmental impact statement.
Some programs and activities, such as new operations, will
still need separate environmental documentation to meet the
requirements of the National Environmental Policy Act and
other environmental regulations.
Although environmental analyses conducted for the document
showed no significant impact on the environment from flight
increases, NAS will still respond to concerns brought to
light during EIS public meetings and hearings.
"The process we undertook for the EIS opened a fantastic
dialogue with our neighbors," Roberts said. "We plan to
continue that dialogue and implement procedures to mitigate
those areas in which the community has expressed a concern.
That's why we wrote an implementation plan and made that
plan part of the actual ROD."
Highlights of this plan include increasing aviator
awareness of community concerns, installing sonic boom
sensors at points throughout the Chesapeake Test Range and
improving the noise tracking and response system.
In addition, the plan calls for altering unmanned
aerial vehicle routes and changing the use of the outdoor
test facility on the Patuxent River. The plan also calls for
improving community coordination and notification.
-USN-


Supreme court decision:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=406&invol=797


CNO directive:

http://neds.daps.dla.mil/Directives/5090/twenty.pdf :lmao:
What is the point you are trying to make? I see we have an EIS, no dispute here. I see the Navy has a program requiring EIS, no dispute here. I see a Supreme Court decision reversing a lower court decision that was attaching liability to sonic booms as damage caused by what had been deemed as trespassing.

You do understand, and I think most on here realize, that it is the Navy's practice to avoid sonic booms that impact the public to the maximum extent practicable, but where does a law prohibit it as you claim?
 
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