Gays Mock Jesus with Last Supper Take-Off

[vraiblonde]

Like the respect non believers get in this country?

I'm a non-believer and I feel fine. I do not feel disrespected, nor do I feel marginalized.

In fact, one of my very dear friends is somewhat of a fundie, and we get along just fine because we respect each other. Which is not to say we don't have some great conversations, but I have never felt that he looks down on me because I don't believe, and I hope he has never felt I look down on him for his beliefs.

I acknowledge that you say you are not a religious person (and I believe you) however it seems to me that respect, when referring to a religious belief system, is really code word for "if you don't believe then shut the hell up".

I disagree with this. One of our dear forumites has a personal forum made up almost entirely of his daily devotionals. And while I don't believe in God, I take a lot of solace in his writings and interpretations and enjoy them very much.

I am a Republican, but also half a liberal, as anyone who reads my posts will tell you. One belief does not cancel out another.

 

[vraiblonde]

Thor, I am not offended by the "under God" part of the Pledge, nor does a Nativity offend me. I have one of my own that I put up at Christmas. People who pray do not offend me. Nor do those who say "bless you" to me.

It means something to someone else, even though it means nothing to me. So why would I toss that back at them in offense, when they meant nothing offensive by it?

 

[Thor]

Thor, I am not offended by the "under God" part of the Pledge, nor does a Nativity offend me. I have one of my own that I put up at Christmas. People who pray do not offend me. Nor do those who say "bless you" to me.

It means something to someone else, even though it means nothing to me. So why would I toss that back at them in offense, when they meant nothing offensive by it?

I was with you right up until this post. The fact that my daughter (a 7 year old) is being forced to state an oath to which she is way too young to understand dives me crazy.

You do realize that the "under god" part of the pledge was added in in 1954 right? That's 178 years after the country was founded.

 

[kom526]

Point me to the hypocrites that said you cannot say what you want.

http://www.democraticunderground.com

Read the description here Note the use of the word ~RESTRICTED~in the first paragraph.

 

[PsyOps]

I was with you right up until this post. The fact that my daughter (a 7 year old) is being forced to state an oath to which she is way too young to understand dives me crazy.

You do realize that the "under god" part of the pledge was added in in 1954 right? That's 178 years after the country was founded.

Are you offended by the "under God" part of the pledge?

 

[itsbob]

Although I know you said this just to play D.A., I think you know it was painted to give a big middle finger salute to the religious right just as many artists have done before this one.

I just asked my friend for his opinion of the painting and it was "People like that are the reason people like me get beat up." Yeah, he's gay, and he disapproves of the painting.

I can't say for sure that you are right, as I don't know who the artist is, and can't read his mind.

And as far as the gay community supporting it, this was a CONTEST.. and this was the winning poster, so I'd assume this implies majority support.

 

[Bavarian]

http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1334
The Miller people claim to have removed funding from the decadent festival, but, they shifted the money to a sacriligious play, "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence". Remember Fred Miller was a Prussian and also non-christian.

 

[MMDad]

I am trying to raise your consciousness.

See the other side. This issue is a religions one, regardless of the folks who say they object simply because they see them as trying to piss people off.

As I said earlier if the gay men had been put in a setting mimicking the painting of "dogs playing poker" everyone would have laughed. But because they were put in a setting mimicking the last supper everyone is raising hell.

The fact is they are mimicking a painting, is the painting holy? No, but people associate it with holiness which, regardless of what people say, is what upsets them.

Perhaps they are not religious that does not matter, clearly we, as a society, have been trained to take offense at anything which pokes fun at ANY belief system.

Open your mind and see that the root of this is religion. If it were not it would not have be plastered all over every fundamentalist website I can find today.

I'm not religous. The painting means nothing to me. It does not offend me that the painting was made. What does offend me is that these people who clamor for equality, respect, and acceptance would choose to alienate every Christian in the world.

Of course this is about religion. That was the intent of the people who made the painting - to incite religious outrage in order to get noteriety. They got it.

 

[Bavarian]

I was with you right up until this post. The fact that my daughter (a 7 year old) is being forced to state an oath to which she is way too young to understand dives me crazy.

You do realize that the "under god" part of the pledge was added in in 1954 right? That's 178 years after the country was founded.

A seven year old has attained the age of reason. They are responsible for their souls and should have known about God long before seven.

 

[nhboy]

A seven year old has attained the age of reason. They are responsible for their souls and should have known about God long before seven.

Here's what a 7 year old needs to read.....and know

Age of Reason

Morality

 

[vraiblonde]

The fact that my daughter (a 7 year old) is being forced to state an oath to which she is way too young to understand dives me crazy.

Are you that crazy guy who sued to have the Pledge taken out of schools?

If your daughter, at 7, does not understand the concept of God or fidelity to country, you have been negligent in your teachings. Whether you believe or not is irrelevant - she should at least have a nodding acquaintence with these concepts by now.

 

[MMDad]

A seven year old has attained the age of reason. They are responsible for their souls and should have known about God long before seven.

Here's what a 7 year old needs to read.....and know

Age of Reason

Morality

Why do either of you presume to tell a parent what their child "should" know? Bav, don't you disagree with liberals teaching evolution? NH, don't you disagree with conservatives who want to teach creation?

Isn't it hypocritical for you to turn around and tell a parent what to teach their child?

 

[Vince]

Are you that crazy guy who sued to have the Pledge taken out of schools?

I was thinking the same thing when I saw the post.

 

[vraiblonde]

Why do either of you presume to tell a parent what their child "should" know?

Children should know everything you can cram into their brains. The problem with kids these days :geezeralert: is that they're culturally illiterate and have no grasp of the basic concepts of religion or government.

 

[Novus Collectus]

Are you offended by the "under God" part of the pledge?

I am offended by the government trying to indoctrinate me when I was in a public school into becoming a believer or by making it so that in order for me to take a pledge to a country I love I will have to compromise my philosophy.
Yes, all in all, it is offensive as well as being unconstitutional and also because it is unconstitutional.

 

[Novus Collectus]

A seven year old has attained the age of reason. They are responsible for their souls and should have known about God long before seven.

In basic concepts I knew I was an atheist at the age of seven.

 

[vraiblonde]

I am offended by the government trying to indoctrinate me when I was in a public school into becoming a believer or by making it so that in order for me to take a pledge to a country I love I will have to compromise my philosophy.

I assume that, as a child, you said the words "under God" in the Pledge.

So did it work? Are you indoctrinated?

Because if you are so weak-minded that saying two words can brainwash you, I would prefer you follow lockstep the tenets of Christianity rather than whatever nutty idea someone else brainwashes you with.

 

[bcp]

In basic concepts I knew I was an atheist at the age of seven.

did your parents still keep bringing you to church after you enlightend them to your decision?

 

[Vince]

I am offended by the government trying to indoctrinate me when I was in a public school into becoming a believer or by making it so that in order for me to take a pledge to a country I love I will have to compromise my philosophy.
Yes, all in all, it is offensive as well as being unconstitutional and also because it is unconstitutional.

Did you actually think about this being offensive and unconstitutional when you were 7 and they were teaching you the Pledge of Allegiance? My poinit is kids are learning the pledge just because it's something done in school. I know I didn't think about my country a whole bunch back then. I was interested in playing baseball and football, and when I hit around 11 or 12....girls. Parents may want their children to learn those things while they are young and make a effort to teach them, but kids could care less when they are 7.

 

[vraiblonde]

In basic concepts I knew I was an atheist at the age of seven.

If you are the same person now as you were at 7, and have never held any different beliefs in the years between, then your parents didn't do a very good job of encouraging your curiousity about the world around you.