Gays Mock Jesus with Last Supper Take-Off

[vraiblonde]

Saying the Pledge with the words "Under God" is no different than learning the words to a song on the radio. Recitation, repetition - it's the same for both.

Did the song "My Sweet Lord" indoctrinate you as well?

 

[vraiblonde]

How about Mercedes Benz? Did you really think God was going to buy you one? Were you disillusioned when you realized it wasn't going to happen?

 

[Novus Collectus]

did your parents still keep bringing you to church after you enlightend them to your decision?

I actually went to a Baptist Sunday school with my siblings before seven years of age. My father was accepting of my philosophy when we talked about it many years later, but my mother seemed understanding until when I was in my early 30s she tried to get me to become Greek Orthodox so that I would "fit in" at my nephew's baptism.

 

[Pete]

I am amazed at how little it takes to "offend" some people yet they are typically the ones who go to great lengths to offend.

 

[bcp]

How about Mercedes Benz? Did you really think God was going to buy you one? Were you disillusioned when you realized it wasn't going to happen?

WHAT!!!

 

[Vince]

How about Mercedes Benz? Did you really think God was going to buy you one? Were you disillusioned when you realized it wasn't going to happen?

Janis Joplin song?

 

[Novus Collectus]

Saying the Pledge with the words "Under God" is no different than learning the words to a song on the radio. Recitation, repetition - it's the same for both.

Sorry, but the pledge to allegiance to the flag I love and respect means a whole lot to me than simple recitation.

Did the song "My Sweet Lord" indoctrinate you as well?

Lol, I love singing that song......but you see, that is not an oath and it is not something the government requires me to sing in order to take an oath that I so wish I could take. You see, with singing the Harrison tune, THAT is simple recitation.

 

[bcp]

I actually went to a Baptist Sunday school with my siblings before seven years of age. My father was accepting of my philosophy when we talked about it many years later, but my mother seemed understanding until when I was in my early 30s she tried to get me to become Greek Orthodox so that I would "fit in" at my nephew's baptism.

are you nuts?
have you seen some of those greek babes that hang out in those churches?

no wonder you're still single.

and that brings me to the next question.
if you are bumping uglies with a female, and she starts screaming, OH GOD OH GOD!!!!!!
are you going to get offended and leave before you get a chance to scream OH DARWIN OH DARWIN ?

 

[Novus Collectus]

Did you actually think about this being offensive and unconstitutional when you were 7 and they were teaching you the Pledge of Allegiance? My poinit is kids are learning the pledge just because it's something done in school. I know I didn't think about my country a whole bunch back then. I was interested in playing baseball and football, and when I hit around 11 or 12....girls. Parents may want their children to learn those things while they are young and make a effort to teach them, but kids could care less when they are 7.

I did not understand the concept of the Wall of seperation in the First Amendment at the time, I just knew it felt wrong (I also wondered why we were supposed to be "invisible for liberty").
I didn't start understanding the conepts it was unethical to suggest I say the words "under god" untill a few years later.

 

[Novus Collectus]

are you nuts?
have you seen some of those greek babes that hang out in those churches?

no wonder you're still single.

and that brings me to the next question.
if you are bumping uglies with a female, and she starts screaming, OH GOD OH GOD!!!!!!
are you going to get offended and leave before you get a chance to scream OH DARWIN OH DARWIN ?

No, I would be screaming "oh Goddess, oh Goddess" because any woman that would sleep with my ugly ass I would worship as a deity.

 

[bcp]

No, I would be screaming "oh Goddess, oh Goddess" because any woman that would sleep with my ugly ass I would worship as a deity.

You know on first impression, people could think you were a mentally challenged homosexual dont you?

 

[Novus Collectus]

I assume that, as a child, you said the words "under God" in the Pledge.

So did it work? Are you indoctrinated?

Because if you are so weak-minded that saying two words can brainwash you, I would prefer you follow lockstep the tenets of Christianity rather than whatever nutty idea someone else brainwashes you with.

I said try to indoctirnate by the government by their showing favouritism of one religious belief over another.
Brainwash me? Unlikely because if going to Sunday school before then didn't then it means I learned to think for myself, but still possible and something the government should not be trying regardless.
Brainwash other susceptible children? Yeah, it is definitely possible. It is wrong for the government to try and impose or coerce a religious belief on someone's children. If the Pledge said "under NO god" I would object just as harshly, but I wonder if alot those people that say having the words "under god" should not bother me would feel the same way if the government coerced their kids to say the country was under "NO god".

 

[Novus Collectus]

You know on first impression, people could think you were a mentally challenged homosexual dont you?

Hmm, maybe it was the assless chaps I put on backwards they saw me in that made them think that.

 

[bcp]

I wonder if alot those people that say having the words "under god" should not bother me would feel the same way if the government coerced their kids to say the country was under "NO god".

quick, study what you just wrote and tell me why the two are not equal as far as the government goes.

 

[Novus Collectus]

If you are the same person now as you were at 7, and have never held any different beliefs in the years between, then your parents didn't do a very good job of encouraging your curiousity about the world around you.

I am not the same person I was at the age of seven....I grew up.
I have never held beliefs since before the age of seven, I do however have a philosophy......I take that back, I still had a belief that lucky charms actually worked until I was around 11.

About my parents.....maybe I am an atheist because they did a very good job of encouraging my curiousity about the world around me.

Why do you think it is a requirment that people question their view on religious belief over the years? Are you speaking from personal experience where used to believe, then you didn't and you feel you might believe again?
Well, to each their own and that is fine if you are like that, but know this about me, being a skeptic by nature I already question everything and that includes questioning if reality even exists and if I even do exist. For practical purposes I operate with the most likely and I most likely exist so I live my "life" that way.
It is the same with religion. When I was a kid the most likely scenario is that there are no gods and as I grew older I have found nothing to alter that thought and I have also grown more understanding of the logic that supports this most likelyhood practical conclusion.

 

[Novus Collectus]

quick, study what you just wrote and tell me why the two are not equal as far as the government goes.

They are both equal when it comes to the Wall of seperation disallowing the government from establishing a religious belief.
To say one must state there is a god is just as bad as the government saying one must state there isn't a god because they are both endorsements or establishments of a religious belief/disbelief and both are disallowed under the First Amendment.

In other words, the governent must remain neutral in the matter as much as possible.

 

[nhboy]

Why do either of you presume to tell a parent what their child "should" know? Bav, don't you disagree with liberals teaching evolution? NH, don't you disagree with conservatives who want to teach creation?

Isn't it hypocritical for you to turn around and tell a parent what to teach their child?

Sorry, that was a subtle attempt at sarcasm (evidently a little too subtle) directed at Bavarian's pomposity.

I don't believe a 7 year old can grasp the concepts set forth in those links. I realize that children, from necessity, will be raised (indoctrinated) in the parent's faith but I think they should also be taught religion comparatively.

As they mature, they should be allowed to make the decision which religion (or none) to follow based on a much broader knowledge of the various beliefs.

As for conservatives teaching creation, if one believes the story of creation as a matter of faith, then teach it as such. I don't believe it should be taught as science as some are advocating.

 

[bcp]

They are both equal when it comes to the Wall of seperation disallowing the government from establishing a religious belief.
To say one must state there is a god is just as bad as the government saying one must state there isn't a god because they are both endorsements or establishments of a religious belief/disbelief and both are disallowed under the First Amendment.

In other words, the governent must remain neutral in the matter as much as possible.

look again.
you equate saying that there is not God to be equal to saying under God?

 

[PsyOps]

I am offended by the government trying to indoctrinate me when I was in a public school into becoming a believer or by making it so that in order for me to take a pledge to a country I love I will have to compromise my philosophy.
Yes, all in all, it is offensive as well as being unconstitutional and also because it is unconstitutional.

Have you considered that being offended by this only solidified who you are (an atheist)?

 

[Novus Collectus]

look again.
you equate saying that there is not God to be equal to saying under God?

YOu fail to grasp the concept I am trying to portray.
The government saying in the pledge "under god" is suggesting to kids that there is not only a god, but that the god is superior to other non-monotheistic beliefs and philosophies and it is coercion having it in an oath they are asked to take.
The government saying "under NO god" in the pledge is the government suggesting there is either no god, or that if there is the nation is superior to monotheistic beliefs and is is coercion having it in an oath they are asked to take.

They are exactly the same violation under the First Amendment.