Ghost, psychics, and horoscopes

[Fulfilled]

No. Jesus is alive.

Does he PM u too?

 

[HollowSoul]

and a good example of how cowardly a christian is when it comes to religious confrontation.........red juju.."unsigned of course"

 

[2ndAmendment]

really! where does he live? whats his e-mail addy? are you drinking buddies?.....NO! HE IS DEAD! and so is mary/joseph/and all 3 wise men/ along with every single deciple/and a matter of fact....EVERY SINGLE PERSON MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE IS D-E-A-D!!
So then according to the demonic accusations that you have labled upon everyone that "communicates" you had better stop "PRAYING" to whoever you pray to because believe it or not.......YOU ARE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEAD!
Ans if your "claim" that jesus is "alive" then he must be living through someone...i.e.(preacher/monk/whatever) if that is the case...then you have a "possesion" on your hands.
In my opinion...here is what is wrong with "christianity"......if it cant be explained......then it's "evil","wrong","demonic".
your mind is so closed that you have completely discarded the very gift that god gave to you.....
I really have no ill thoughts of you, as a matter of fact...i think you are admirable for standing firn for your belief's.....but i have noticed that a goo share of your post's reguarding religon are..."quoted" from someone, somewhere else.....
If you are going to be so headstrong in your beliefs.......at least use your own words from your own heart...

You are right about most of whom you wrote, but wrong about some, especially God and Jesus. God is never ending and Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into heaven.

John 20
1Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!”

3So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen. 8Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. 9(They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.)
Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene
10Then the disciples went back to their homes, 11but Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb 12and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.

13They asked her, “Woman, why are you crying?”

“They have taken my Lord away,” she said, “and I don't know where they have put him.” 14At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.

15“Woman,” he said, “why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?”

Thinking he was the gardener, she said, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him.”

16Jesus said to her, “Mary.”

She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means Teacher).

17Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

18Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them that he had said these things to her.
Jesus Appears to His Disciples
19On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.

21Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
Jesus Appears to Thomas
24Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.”

26A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

30Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

 

[2ndAmendment]

and a good example of how cowardly a christian is when it comes to religious confrontation.........red juju.."unsigned of course"

Not from me.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Does he PM u too?

Of course not.

You and HollowSoul are so lost and caught up in this world only a real revelation will turn you around. I pray God does just that for you.

 

[HollowSoul]

I understand the above.....it has been drilled into me since birth, but the fact in question it the ability and nature of communicating with the deceased...
how can you claim it to be wrong.....when you try to do it everyday?
A prayer.....even in it's simplest form....IS A CHANT!....To kneel, and bow your head to ask forgiveness.....IS A CHANT!....when catholics, recieve communion......THATS A RITUAL!.....the similarities are endless.
wether...your praying to god/jesus/mary/joseph/or your dead mother/sister/father/brother/or whoever for closure.......LET IT BE!
And here is a Q that ought to sting your brain a lil.....
WHY is it impossible to communicate with the dead? are you saying that god is so possesive with your soul that he won't allow it?
WHY is it wrong to try? is it maybe the realization that someone might have the higher power to channel themselves to communicate scares you because YOU cant...


here is an idea......you would think.....if someone such as yourself wants to get closer to god.....would want to contact someon with this "gift" and try to maybe....talk to mary/joseph/whoever.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I understand the above.....it has been drilled into me since birth, but the fact in question it the ability and nature of communicating with the deceased...
how can you claim it to be wrong.....when you try to do it everyday?
A prayer.....even in it's simplest form....IS A CHANT!....To kneel, and bow your head to ask forgiveness.....IS A CHANT!....when catholics, recieve communion......THATS A RITUAL!.....the similarities are endless.
wether...your praying to god/jesus/mary/joseph/or your dead mother/sister/father/brother/or whoever for closure.......LET IT BE!
And here is a Q that ought to sting your brain a lil.....
WHY is it impossible to communicate with the dead? are you saying that god is so possesive with your soul that he won't allow it?
WHY is it wrong to try? is it maybe the realization that someone might have the higher power to channel themselves to communicate scares you because YOU cant...


here is an idea......you would think.....if someone such as yourself wants to get closer to god.....would want to contact someon with this "gift" and try to maybe....talk to mary/joseph/whoever.

I do not pray to any entity but God as Father, Jesus, or Holy Spirit. Mary, Joseph, and the other saints did indeed die and were not raised from the dead as Jesus was or taken into heaven like Elijah was. The spirits of all that die in Jesus are with Him in heaven.

There is most definitely a spiritual realm. Satan roams the earth; the Bible says this. The Bible also says that satan's minions are here among us too. Angels are here too to protect us. Jesus cast out demons. He certainly believed evil spirits are in the world. The Bible tells us that we may interact with angels without us even knowing. Satan is a liar and a thief and is out to prevent you and everyone he can from knowing, loving, and obeying God. Satan will deceive you appearing to be good, but then he will tear you apart spiritually. The Bible says not to be involved in the spirit world except through the Holy Spirit, because you will open paths into your life that you may not be able to shut without intervention from God.

Oh, and I claim no power. Anything that is done in the way prophesy, healing, or other gifts of the Holy Spirit are just that, gifts of the Holy Spirit. The power is God's alone.

 

[Spoiled]

2A, this is the religion forum, not the Christian Bible forum (some of your posts in this thread lead me to believe you think differently)... You also said you only post what the bible says, or the word of God. You posted an inerpritive article to start this thread. I doubt today you can find many seers, palm or card readers which claim their practices are for anything but entertainment. As for the paranormal investigating people, they are just trying to find out what is going on...


One of my many things about many christians they pick and choose what they call evil. You say the people who see 'ghosts' and talk to them are evil. Would you have called the virgin mary evil when gabriel told her she was going to have a son? The angel was predicting the future, was he not?

This is why i get so frustrated with many people like you, you condemn so many things for face value before thinking about it. If Jesus came to earth today, in the middle of new york and said all this weather and what not is a result of our society (some how i dont think jesus finds the bisexual midget porn with bondage cool) he would be branded as a looney and a heretic.

My point? How is talking to a spirit evil, I can see how its counter productive if thats what you spend your life doing. And it is sacreligious if you worship them. But if its casual conversation with an angel, but you think its a ghost?

Am I a sinner? Yes! Am i evil, nope. I dont care if someone points me out as a sinner. "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" That should be no one. To me, you come across as casting the first stone, as well as the second and third... Then when someone throws one back you hold up a bible and say "it told me to"

 

[2ndAmendment]

here is an idea......you would think.....if someone such as yourself wants to get closer to god.....would want to contact someon with this "gift" and try to maybe....talk to mary/joseph/whoever.

Why would I want to talk to them when I can talk to God directly? It is called prayer.

 

[2ndAmendment]

2A, this is the religion forum, not the Christian Bible forum (some of your posts in this thread lead me to believe you think differently)... You also said you only post what the bible says, or the word of God. You posted an inerpritive article to start this thread. I doubt today you can find many seers, palm or card readers which claim their practices are for anything but entertainment. As for the paranormal investigating people, they are just trying to find out what is going on...


One of my many things about many christians they pick and choose what they call evil. You say the people who see 'ghosts' and talk to them are evil. Would you have called the virgin mary evil when gabriel told her she was going to have a son? The angel was predicting the future, was he not?

This is why i get so frustrated with many people like you, you condemn so many things for face value before thinking about it. If Jesus came to earth today, in the middle of new york and said all this weather and what not is a result of our society (some how i dont think jesus finds the bisexual midget porn with bondage cool) he would be branded as a looney and a heretic.

My point? How is talking to a spirit evil, I can see how its counter productive if thats what you spend your life doing. And it is sacreligious if you worship them. But if its casual conversation with an angel, but you think its a ghost?

Am I a sinner? Yes! Am i evil, nope. I dont care if someone points me out as a sinner. "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" That should be no one. To me, you come across as casting the first stone, as well as the second and third... Then when someone throws one back you hold up a bible and say "it told me to"

Is an angel a ghost? No.

I apologize. I did say, "If you are offended by the fact that you are a sinner, do something about it." That would have been better phrased that if people have a problem with sinning, they should do something about it. I did not say, "Spoiled is a sinner." I am a sinner who is saved; nothing more. I base what I post on God's word. If you don't like what I post, don't read it.

The article I posted has many Biblical references in it. Have you looked even one of them up? Just a question, not an accusation.

 

[dustin]

2A, this is the religion forum, not the Christian Bible forum

You are right sir, this is the religion forum

And 2A has a right to create this thread.

Just like you have a right to create your own thread.



2A, thanks for the info.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Spoiled,
I know this is the Religion Forum, not the Christian Forum. I post things that are base on the Bible, have to do with the God of the Bible, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the like. There are threads in this forum that are on other religions. I have never read them. My comments, again, poorly worded, should have been to the effect of not reading my posts in the Religion forum if you don't want to hear about God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Bible or related topics.

 

[2ndAmendment]

You are right sir, this is the religion forum

And 2A has a right to create this thread.

Just like you have a right to create your own thread.



2A, thanks for the info.

Thank you.

 

[Spoiled]

Is an angel a ghost? No.

And how is a human suposed to know the difference if they encounter something of the supernatural?

 

[2ndAmendment]

And how is a human suposed to know the difference if they encounter something of the supernatural?

Every account I have read of someone encountering an angel where they were supposed to know that they were being given a message from God, they knew it was an angel. Matthew didn't say that a ghost appeared to Joseph; he did say an angel of the Lord appeared to him.

Remember, satan is a former angel as are the fallen angels that serve satan. They are powerful. Why would anyone want to open their life to a power that is extremely powerful that they did not know was absolutely Good.

Only One is truly good, our Father who is in heaven. Read that somewhere before. Oh yeah (he said tongue in cheek) in the Bible.

 

[crabcake]

really! where does he live? whats his e-mail addy? are you drinking buddies?.....NO! HE IS DEAD! and so is mary/joseph/and all 3 wise men/ along with every single deciple/and a matter of fact....EVERY SINGLE PERSON MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE IS D-E-A-D!!
So then according to the demonic accusations that you have labled upon everyone that "communicates" you had better stop "PRAYING" to whoever you pray to because believe it or not.......YOU ARE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEAD!
Ans if your "claim" that jesus is "alive" then he must be living through someone...i.e.(preacher/monk/whatever) if that is the case...then you have a "possesion" on your hands.
In my opinion...here is what is wrong with "christianity"......if it cant be explained......then it's "evil","wrong","demonic".
your mind is so closed that you have completely discarded the very gift that god gave to you.....
I really have no ill thoughts of you, as a matter of fact...i think you are admirable for standing firn for your belief's.....but i have noticed that a goo share of your post's reguarding religon are..."quoted" from someone, somewhere else.....
If you are going to be so headstrong in your beliefs.......at least use your own words from your own heart...

 

[Kain99]

Ok... I've read the article and looked up the passages. Much to my suprise I had already circled most of them at some point.

I understand that looking to people with "special powers" means you are not looking to God and that is bad.

But what if it's you that has special powers or sees ghosts? Does this mean the devil already has control of your soul? Does it mean you are going to hell?

This stuff is all around me. Really.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Ok... I've read the article and looked up the passages. Much to my suprise I had already circled most of them at some point.

I understand that looking to people with "special powers" means you are not looking to God and that is bad.

But what if it's you that has special powers or sees ghosts? Does this mean the devil already has control of your soul? Does it mean you are going to hell?

This stuff is all around me. Really.

I read about and responded to your intuition or premonition. That is entirely different than seeking a medium to contact the dead or ghost hunting. The spirit world is real. If you are hunting ghosts, you are hunting spirits and you just might find one your really don't want to. If you read the article, it did not say you were going to hell automatically. It is going against God's word; it is rebellion. It is like any other sin. Decide for yourself whether you want to obey God or not. That is between you and Him.

 

[gumbo]

Ok... I've read the article and looked up the passages. Much to my suprise I had already circled most of them at some point.

I understand that looking to people with "special powers" means you are not looking to God and that is bad.

But what if it's you that has special powers or sees ghosts? Does this mean the devil already has control of your soul? Does it mean you are going to hell?

This stuff is all around me. Really.

No this just means that someones mind is open to the power of suggestion.
This God warns us of.
An idol mind is the Devil's play ground.
So keep your mind on the word of the Lord, if not Satan will play his tricks and he is the master of illusion!
When we believe we are so smart is when we are the most vulnerable.
Remember the story of the apple?

Special Powers?..1 Corinthians 12 Spiritual Gifts.
Don't see communicating with the dead?
However 1 Corinthians 15 is clear,, When you dead your not around here hanging out trying to talk to the living or haunting places.
Ghosts are nothing more than the power of suggestion playing tricks on someones mind.
With all the magnetic radio waves I am surprised more crap isn't moving around and more illusions are not seen.

You can move mountains if you have the faith of a mustard seed.
So yes if my will is strong enough to see my dead uncle or some ghost in a so called haunted place guess what illusion I will see.
Especially if there is a whole group willing it to happen.
If the believe is there and the will strong enough we can move a mountain.
So why in the H would we want to waste our faith away to rap with dead people if it was not the work of the Devil,
when we could be congregating together in prayer and willing the betterment of mankind.

The word is Faith..
If you have faith in Satan's illusions you can see and speak to the Boogie Man.
The question to ask one's self is why would you want too.
The only thing it would ever prove is what God told us Faith,
Faith can move a mountain.
So why wouldn't I believe People can create ghosts, with enough faith the illusion apears...

The mind is the most powerful gift God gave to us.

 

[dustin]

I read about and responded to your intuition or premonition. That is entirely different than seeking a medium to contact the dead or ghost hunting. The spirit world is real. If you are hunting ghosts, you are hunting spirits and you just might find one your really don't want to. If you read the article, it did not say you were going to hell automatically. It is going against God's word; it is rebellion. It is like any other sin. Decide for yourself whether you want to obey God or not. That is between you and Him.

Kain, have you seen that movie "White Noise"?