Ghost, psychics, and horoscopes

[2ndAmendment]

Someone, in a gray karma message, said "Jesus is only alive in spirit...but he too has not risen again. (aka. yep -he's dead)". I can only say people who believe this need to read of Thomas, doubting Thomas.

John 20:24-29
24Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.”

26A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Jesus physically rose from the dead. Thomas could not have put his finger into the nail holes or his hand into the wound in Jesus' side if He had not risen with a physical body. Later, Jesus ascended into heaven in front of witnesses.

 

[2ndAmendment]

FCL, whoever you really are, since there is no user by that name, and the others that have given me red karma for posts in this thread, you only confirm that I am doing the right thing trying to bring what God's word the Bible says to those that don't know even if they or you don't care to know.

Ah, yes - FCL - Fruitcake Lady

 

[Railroad]

FCL, whoever you really are, since there is no user by that name, and the others that have given me red karma for posts in this thread, you only confirm that I am doing the right thing trying to bring what God's word the Bible says to those that don't know even if they or you don't care to know.

At least they didn't turn it into a political argument, as was the routine at the forum I recently left.

 

[pvineswinger]

Your porblem. Not mine.

2A you have a strange way of promoting Christianity- Christians try to help one another...not turn them away and say "it's not my problem."

 

[2ndAmendment]

2A you have a strange way of promoting Christianity- Christians try to help one another...not turn them away and say "it's not my problem."

Do you have any concept of the relationship AMP and I have? No. Did you read the entire thread before posting this? Maybe, but it appears not. When someone, Christian or not, says or implys that scripture is not correct, then it is their problem, not mine. I cannot force them to believe. I will always go the extra mile to help a brother of sister. I will go out of my way to research scripture and historical evidence to the validity of the Bible. If someone indicates they want help, I am there for them. Ask anyone on the board that knows me. If someone chooses not to believe it, it is not my problem. I cannot talk anyone into believing. That is between them and God. I present the word of God according to the Bible. It is up to the reader to accept or reject. The person has to be convicted by the Holy Spirit and yield or not. Free will, it is such a big thing and many, including me, let it mess up the relationship with the Holy Spirit. Yielding our will and letting God's will be done is not easy in this world. Lots of temptation and distractions from the Truth. It is up to the person to work out their own relationship with God.

 

[pvineswinger]

Do you have any concept of the relationship AMP and I have? No. Did you read the entire thread before posting this? Maybe, but it appears not. When someone, Christian or not, says or implys that scripture is not correct, then it is their problem, not mine. I cannot force them to believe. I will always go the extra mile to help a brother of sister. I will go out of my way to research scripture and historical evidence to the validity of the Bible. If someone indicates they want help, I am there for them. Ask anyone on the board that knows me. If someone chooses not to believe it, it is not my problem. I cannot talk anyone into believing. That is between them and God. I present the word of God according to the Bible. It is up to the reader to accept or reject. The person has to be convicted by the Holy Spirit and yield or not. Free will, it is such a big thing and many, including me, let it mess up the relationship with the Holy Spirit. Yielding our will and letting God's will be done is not easy in this world. Lots of temptation and distractions from the Truth. It is up to the person to work out their own relationship with God.

Like I said, and will continue to say, you practice a very harsh and strange form of Christianity. I hope it works for you.
You sound very bitter about religion, though- didn't your mama teach you that you get more flies with honey, than fire and brimstone?

 

[sleuth]

So is this Holy Ghost thing that the Bible speaks of not really a ghost?

My mom told me that I had a great aunt who read tea leaves (before I was born). She accurately predicted the time and place of the deaths of 3 close relatives before she quit reading - she didn't want the burden, and she had apparently seen some other horrid things that she didn't wish to speak about.

 

[AC/DC]

So is this Holy Ghost thing that the Bible speaks of not really a ghost?

My mom told me that I had a great aunt who read tea leaves (before I was born). She accurately predicted the time and place of the deaths of 3 close relatives before she quit reading - she didn't want the burden, and she had apparently seen some other horrid things that she didn't wish to speak about.

Like the coming of the amebic nephew?

 

[2ndAmendment]

Like I said, and will continue to say, you practice a very harsh and strange form of Christianity. I hope it works for you.
You sound very bitter about religion, though- didn't your mama teach you that you get more flies with honey, than fire and brimstone?

Didn't your minister teach you that the whole Bible is the Truth? If not, find a new minister.

 

[2ndAmendment]

So is this Holy Ghost thing that the Bible speaks of not really a ghost?

My mom told me that I had a great aunt who read tea leaves (before I was born). She accurately predicted the time and place of the deaths of 3 close relatives before she quit reading - she didn't want the burden, and she had apparently seen some other horrid things that she didn't wish to speak about.

Some versions use Holy Ghost and some use Holy Spirit. If you are seeking the Spirit of God, then there is no problem.

Seeking truth in tea leaves is dangerous territory.

 

[sleuth]

Some versions use Holy Ghost and some use Holy Spirit. If you are seeking the Spirit of God, then there is no problem.

Seeking truth in tea leaves is dangerous territory.

But the question is... what does the original say?

Think about it. If the original writing allows for a Holy "Ghost", then by specifically naming this one as "Holy", it implies that there are other non-holy ghosts besides the "Holy" one.

 

[pvineswinger]

Didn't your minister teach you that the whole Bible is the Truth? If not, find a new minister.

You make ZERO sense. Where did I say anything about any of the Bible not being the truth? You are going off the deep end. You are not an understanding person- you preach nothing but hate and greed...hate those who don't have the same beliefs as you, and greed because it's "your problem, not mine." You worry about yourself and that's the only reason you keep posting all of your bitter messages. Do you think God appreciates the way you are "spreading his word?" I doubt it.
Are YOU a minister? NO- so I'll stick with the minister I have- I'm happy with my religion and it hasn't turned me into a bitter zealot. You need to find a new church- one that won't make you so mean.

 

[2ndAmendment]

You make ZERO sense. Where did I say anything about any of the Bible not being the truth? You are going off the deep end. You are not an understanding person- you preach nothing but hate and greed...hate those who don't have the same beliefs as you, and greed because it's "your problem, not mine." You worry about yourself and that's the only reason you keep posting all of your bitter messages. Do you think God appreciates the way you are "spreading his word?" I doubt it.
Are YOU a minister? NO- so I'll stick with the minister I have- I'm happy with my religion and it hasn't turned me into a bitter zealot. You need to find a new church- one that won't make you so mean.

I do not mean to be mean. No where did I say you said anything about the Bible. I asked a question and made a statement. I do mean to post the whole Truth and not some watered down version. I don't mean to be argumentative with you, but do you read the Bible? There is lots in the Bible about obeying God and consequences if people don't; much of it said by Jesus in the New Testament. The Bible is offensive to those that don't want to believe it. Truth hurts. It is a two edged sword that cleaves bone and sinew.

God showed His love by sacrificing Himself as Jesus on the cross. He is a loving Father to those that love Him. For those that hear, understand, and reject, there is lots to fear.

I may not have gone to seminary, but most seminarians never read the entire Bible even once. It is not required. That would be an intersting question for your minister. My former minister, a very nice man, said he had never read the entire Bible. I am called, as are all Christians, to proclaim the word of God.

 

[pvineswinger]

I do not mean to be mean. No where did I say you said anything about the Bible. I asked a question and made a statement. I do mean to post the whole Truth and not some watered down version. I don't mean to be argumentative with you, but do you read the Bible? There is lots in the Bible about obeying God and consequences if people don't; much of it said by Jesus in the New Testament. The Bible is offensive to those that don't want to believe it. Truth hurts. It is a two edged sword that cleaves bone and sinew.

God showed His love by sacrificing Himself as Jesus on the cross. He is a loving Father to those that love Him. For those that hear, understand, and reject, there is lots to fear.

I may not have gone to seminary, but most seminarians never read the entire Bible even once. It is not required. That would be an intersting question for your minister. My former minister, a very nice man, said he had never read the entire Bible. I am called, as are all Christians, to proclaim the word of God.

It's very difficult to understand what you are trying to "teach." You skip from apples to oranges and back again...I think you may have a problem understanding your own beliefs- so please don't spread the rash of confusion. Let people talk to God and their own pastors/ministers-it's also not your place to say anything negative about who others choose to teach them about God. (that is absolutely horrible of you to tell me to get a new minister. Don't try to force feed anyone your "brand" of Christianity. I don't know who you "think" finds the Bible offensive, since I haven't seen anyone say anything like that. You attack anyone who questions ANTHING in your posts- when you should just accept that others may not agree with you completely- but that doesn't make them heathens. YOU aren't the judge of anyone- God is, so let him decide who will enter heaven.

 

[2ndAmendment]

It's very difficult to understand what you are trying to "teach." You skip from apples to oranges and back again...I think you may have a problem understanding your own beliefs- so please don't spread the rash of confusion. Let people talk to God and their own pastors/ministers-it's also not your place to say anything negative about who others choose to teach them about God. (that is absolutely horrible of you to tell me to get a new minister. Don't try to force feed anyone your "brand" of Christianity. I don't know who you "think" finds the Bible offensive, since I haven't seen anyone say anything like that. You attack anyone who questions ANTHING in your posts- when you should just accept that others may not agree with you completely- but that doesn't make them heathens. YOU aren't the judge of anyone- God is, so let him decide who will enter heaven.

I post what has been laid on my mind. Sometimes the message is peace and love and sometimes it is the consequences of sin; both are in the Bible. Both are posted out of love for others. The scribes and Pharisees, the religious folks, didn't like what Jesus said. I post mostly Biblical quotes, often what Jesus said, and I catch flack for doing so. Jesus said that those that spread the truth would be despised.

What is meaner? Telling people what they want to hear and agreeing with them saying it is OK to fornicate, be homosexual, and commit other kinds of sin. Lying to them just to make them feel good all the time knowing that it is directly against the word of God. Or loving people, even those you don't really know, enough to tell them the truth quoted from the Bible so that they have an opportunity to change their ways, repent, and receive God's free gift of salvation even though you know that people will attack you.

I don't tell people they are going to hell. I am not their judge. I quote the Bible or post articles that are drawn from the Bible. If people are offended by any of the things posted, then it has hit a nerve and maybe it is a place they should examine in their lives. If some thing I have posted from a Biblical quote makes them think it says they are going to hell, then it is their own inner conscience or the Holy Spirt that is convicting them. Nothing I post is aimed at any particular person.

 

[sleuth]

But the question is... what does the original say?

Think about it. If the original writing allows for a Holy "Ghost", then by specifically naming this one as "Holy", it implies that there are other non-holy ghosts besides the "Holy" one.

2A ... Any luck on researching this?

 

[pvineswinger]

I post what has been laid on my mind. Sometimes the message is peace and love and sometimes it is the consequences of sin; both are in the Bible. Both are posted out of love for others. The scribes and Pharisees, the religious folks, didn't like what Jesus said. I post mostly Biblical quotes, often what Jesus said, and I catch flack for doing so. Jesus said that those that spread the truth would be despised.

What is meaner? Telling people what they want to hear and agreeing with them saying it is OK to fornicate, be homosexual, and commit other kinds of sin. Lying to them just to make them feel good all the time knowing that it is directly against the word of God. Or loving people, even those you don't really know, enough to tell them the truth quoted from the Bible so that they have an opportunity to change their ways, repent, and receive God's free gift of salvation even though you know that people will attack you.

I don't tell people they are going to hell. I am not their judge. I quote the Bible or post articles that are drawn from the Bible. If people are offended by any of the things posted, then it has hit a nerve and maybe it is a place they should examine in their lives. If some thing I have posted from a Biblical quote makes them think it says they are going to hell, then it is their own inner conscience that is convicting them. Nothing I post is aimed at any particular person.

It has nothing to do with the passages you post...it's what YOU write between the passages that offends.

 

[2ndAmendment]

It has nothing to do with the passages you post...it's what YOU write between the passages that offends.

Then don't read my posts.

 

[Sharon]

it's what YOU write between the passages that offends.

You've been pretty offensive yourself. In fact, it seems like you only come here to point out how offended you are and that adds nothing to the thread at all.

 

[2ndAmendment]

2A ... Any luck on researching this?

I have already posted that there is indeed a spiritual world. Unholy or evil spirits, demons, roam the earth. I believe the Bible to be true. Jesus cast out demons as attested to in the gospels. The apostles did too. If you want quotes, I will supply them. The Bible says there is a vast gulf or chasm between those on the earth and those human spirits that have gone on to the afterlife and the human spirits do not come back. See the account of the rich man and Lazarus. That says to me that when you hunt for ghosts and encounter something, you are encountering an evil spirit not a spirit of a human that has died.