Gospel of Inclusion.

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

And how often is "The Shopkeeper" not to be held accountable for allowing "The Thief" into the store?

I do not have all the answers and I figure others could give suggestions too.

But it is the job of the police to stop the store from being robbed and not the Shopkeepers place.

Many spouses cheat by being made drunk or drugged or when in a vulnerable condition (like a spousal dispute) and most often the outside adulterer is a close friend or associate.

If there was a law that protected married person from adulteries then the secretary could not play dumb when the bossman is married and she wants to cheat. Neither could the neighbors say they were ignorant of the law and etc.

Right now the shopkeeper (spouse) is robbed because there is no police and no law.

Why should a spouse have to risk their life thru the fear of sexually transmitted diseases such as Aids, HIV or HVP (Human Papiloma Virus that can cause cervical cancer) because the other spouse cannot seem to resist the urge to cheat over and over?

This is what people face now because our society gives license to sin.

To protect a marriage from outside sexual disease then we need to make outside adultery against the law.

Those that get a divorce then must go to the outside themselves, so divorce is not a victory.

Not all cheaters are concientious and considerate - Imagine That!

That is true now because we have social laws that permit debauchery and protect cheaters.

So to make them "concientious and considerate" we need laws that punish wrong doing and that will improve the conscience of the cheaters.

Defend the marriage and protect the family with the force of law.

 

[This_person]

I do not have all the answers and I figure others could give suggestions too.

We know you don't, and we did.

Have the person who made the oath,swearing before their mate that they'd never cheat on them, be the one MOST responsible for their actions.

Thanks for realizing that you make no sense with your answer, and that your answer leaves more questions than answers, though.

 

[~mellabella~]

Dare I ask???

Those that get a divorce then must go to the outside themselves, so divorce is not a victory.

WHY would anyone see divorce as a victory anyway? How does that make any sense? Unless you mean the freedom it gives from oppressive, abusive, cheating, & negligent spouses...but in that case you are putting blame on the spouse who is in the wrong...and that contradicts what you said earlier...

I don't believe that just anybody should be able to get a divorce, but people with extinuating cricumstance should have some leeway-FREE of judgment.

 

[godsbutterfly]

We know you don't, and we did.

Have the person who made the oath,swearing before their mate that they'd never cheat on them, be the one MOST responsible for their actions.

Thanks for realizing that you make no sense with your answer, and that your answer leaves more questions than answers, though.

I agree with you completely and have been trying to make this point but it's been like trying to hug a cactus -the effort has not been worth the end result so far!

 

[This_person]

I agree with you completely and have been trying to make this point but it's been like trying to hug a cactus -the effort has not been worth the end result so far!

You've clearly not been arguing with Jimmy long. When you nail him to the wall with lies, he resorts to ignoring you and stating "I stand by all I post and all mine true and correct", and won't acknowledge his inaccuracies and lies. Most people will fully agree arguing with him is worthless. For some reason, I can't stop - it's like some kind of drug I can't get shake. His idiocy and lunacy draw me in with almost every post.

 

[godsbutterfly]

You've clearly not been arguing with Jimmy long. When you nail him to the wall with lies, he resorts to ignoring you and stating "I stand by all I post and all mine true and correct", and won't acknowledge his inaccuracies and lies. Most people will fully agree arguing with him is worthless. For some reason, I can't stop - it's like some kind of drug I can't get shake. His idiocy and lunacy draw me in with almost every post.

I know what you mean. I just keep thinking if I show enough examples or ask enough questions to back myself up it will turn him around. He did acknowledge that we would never be able to get rid of divorce completely. Do I get half a point for that? Come on! Throw me a crumb!

 

[This_person]

I know what you mean. I just keep thinking if I show enough examples or ask enough questions to back myself up it will turn him around. He did acknowledge that we would never be able to get rid of divorce completely. Do I get half a point for that? Come on! Throw me a crumb!

Just wait, though. He'll either deny ever saying that, say just the opposite, or both! He's admitted that parents are both responsible for their kids, and then said the non-custodial parent has no moral responsibility. He's said that his son was not his immediate family because he didn't live with him, then said he WAS immediate family and I was twisting his words, and then reiterated that he was NOT immediate family and that's why JPC wasn't violating a Christian family value. He's said he deserted his family, then denied saying he deserted his family, then (when linked to his own quote) said that it was a twist of his words (he must have been twisting them himself ).

I laugh, but I truly worry for his sanity. I believe he is delusional and grossly out of touch with reality. His sparks of anger tell me he possibly could be a danger to himself or others, and I believe he should be taken off of the streets for everyone's safety. But, quite frankly, I don't want to pay for it, and he doesn't threaten me enough yet to do anything about it. Yet.

 

[2ndAmendment]

You two are gluttons for punishment. I have given up on JPC. I think he is truly delusional and incapable of understanding when he is incorrect.

 

[godsbutterfly]

You two are gluttons for punishment. I have given up on JPC. I think he is truly delusional and incapable of understanding when he is incorrect.

It concerns me that somebody might actually be misled by what he posts.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I agree with you [T_p] completely and have been trying to make this point but it's been like trying to hug a cactus -the effort has not been worth the end result so far!

One needs to have some vision to see what could be and vision to see improvements.

This is the religion thread after all.

But if you only want to complain and criticize an idea of improving the situation then you got the best buddy for that in T_p.

 

[godsbutterfly]

One needs to have some vision to see what could be and vision to see improvements.

This is the religion thread after all.

But if you only want to complain and criticize an idea of improving the situation then you got the best buddy for that in T_p.

I do have vision and I am open to new ideas and improvements. If you think I don't because I don't agree with everything you say then I'm sorry you feel that way. My only "complaint" with you is that you don't seem to ever want to acknowledge that somebody else might have a valid point except for you. No person is ever 100% right all of the time.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I do have vision and I am open to new ideas and improvements. If you think I don't because I don't agree with everything you say then I'm sorry you feel that way. My only "complaint" with you is that you don't seem to ever want to acknowledge that somebody else might have a valid point except for you. No person is ever 100% right all of the time.

Having two eyes that physically see is not religious vision.

I agreed with you that we will surely always have divorce so I gave your valid point.

It is you being obstinant.

I figure you are afraid the fools here will call you names, and the red karma is more than you can handle.

 

[godsbutterfly]

Having two eyes that physically see is not religious vision.

I agreed with you that we will surely always have divorce so I gave your valid point.

It is you being obstinant.

I figure you are afraid the fools here will call you names, and the red karma is more than you can handle.

I live my life for God and I have been called a lot worse than obstinate and survived it. I stand firm on my beliefs and I do not betray them regardless of any criticism or ridicule. I listen to what others have to say and if their point is something I consider valid I will acknowledge their point is valid. I have received red karma before.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I live my life for God and I have been called a lot worse than obstinate and survived it. I stand firm on my beliefs and I do not betray them regardless of any criticism or ridicule. I listen to what others have to say and if their point is something I consider valid I will acknowledge their point is valid. I have received red karma before.

So your religious belief is that we must have divorces and trying to save the marriage instead of divorce is me being invalid?

But you and T_p say blame the spouse that cheats and grant divorce and keep breaking up the families is your religious point here?

And my idea that we give the marriages another chance to save their families like the Hillary Clinton family did - is some how wrong?

Those are questions and not accusations.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

WHY would anyone see divorce as a victory anyway? How does that make any sense?

Divorce is presented like some kind of reward for the spouse that got cheated on.

So if a married person cheats then the gov will give the victim spouse an easier divorce as if they get a victory over the cheating spouse by sticking them with a divorce.

What I did say was that granting a divorce is NOT a victory and it is a nasty reward too.

 

[godsbutterfly]

So your religious belief is that we must have divorces and trying to save the marriage instead of divorce is me being invalid?

But you and T_p say blame the spouse that cheats and grant divorce and keep breaking up the families is your religious point here?

And my idea that we give the marriages another chance to save their families like the Hillary Clinton family did - is some how wrong?

Those are questions and not accusations.

No, my religious belief is that there comes a time when you cannot save the marriage if the unbeliever is going to continue to committ adultery and to even leave the home to set up a "lovenest" with somebody else. That was in my personal situation. For my general belief I think that your notion to punish the adulterer who is outside of the marriage and let the adulterer who is inside of the marriage go free is unacceptable. That adulterer made vows before God and before their spouse and must be held accountable for breaking those vows. I am not talking about a public flogging but he/she must acknowledge the wrong they have committed because it does take two to committ adultery and the defense of "They seduced me!" is bull!

 

[This_person]

So your religious belief is that we must have divorces and trying to save the marriage instead of divorce is me being invalid?

But you and T_p say blame the spouse that cheats and grant divorce and keep breaking up the families is your religious point here?

And my idea that we give the marriages another chance to save their families like the Hillary Clinton family did - is some how wrong?

Those are questions and not accusations.

Jimmy, as usual your lack of reading comprehension skills have hurt you.

No one says that trying to save a marriage is bad. No one says that divorce is the first or best answer.

However, when someone cheats on their spouse, they are the ones at fault far more than the person they cheated with. To use your common test case, Monica is not the one who vowed to Hillary on a marriage certificate that she would remain faithful and true. Bill did. Bill is the one at fault. Monica knew he was married, and so she's wrong too. But not as wrong as Bill. She may have been tempting to him, but it was his fault he failed to meet the test.

You are wrong when you place very little or no blame on the people who do the most wrong. This is true with illegal aliens, with parents who refuse to support their children, with cheating spouses - with everything that I've read by you regarding any personal accountability.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Jimmy, as usual your lack of reading comprehension skills have hurt you.

You keep repeating this same childish nonsense so you must think it is clever or some thing.

I do not see where you have any superiority in that regard.

Monica is not the one who vowed to Hillary on a marriage certificate that she would remain faithful and true. Bill did. Bill is the one at fault. Monica knew he was married, and so she's wrong too. But not as wrong as Bill. She may have been tempting to him, but it was his fault he failed to meet the test.

The BIG point of me refering to the Clinton issue is because from then till now it is Hillary that has profitted from the feasco because Hillary knew what really mattered and Hillary did the right thing, and now it is Hillary that could be the first female President of the USA and many of us morally conscious persons say it is because Hillary was strongest when she defended her marriage and Hillary protected her family from the outside adulterous woman.

If Hillary had been nieve enough to believe that divorce garbage then she would have failed and her family destroyed and surely she would be in no position to run for election if the populace had seen Monica taking Hillary down.

I am saying to look and see the big example of power in virtue done by Hillary Clinton by rejecting divorce.

Believe thy eyes instead of thy filthy opinion.

 

[~mellabella~]

Divorce is presented like some kind of reward for the spouse that got cheated on.



What I did say was that granting a divorce is NOT a victory and it is a nasty reward too.

I know some people divorce for the wrong reasons, and yeah they run their spouse for all they've got. But not all people divorce for the money, some divorce for the sake of their mental/physical wellbeing. In that case, divorce is not a reward.

 

[This_person]

You keep repeating this same childish nonsense so you must think it is clever or some thing.

I do not see where you have any superiority in that regard.

My "superiority" is not that at all. I'm just capable of reading and comprehending what people write, and you don't seem to be able to do that. I repeat it because you repeatedly offend.

The BIG point of me refering to the Clinton issue is because from then till now it is Hillary that has profitted from the feasco. I am saying to look and see the big example of power in virtue done by Hillary Clinton by rejecting divorce.

Great, she didn't get divorced. She looked the other way, again and again and again and again and again when Bill cheated on her. That's her "victory".

But, you didn't address the whole concept behind what I was saying (see why I question your reading comprehension skills?) regarding personal responsibility. Monica didn't swear in front of God, family, friends, and on a legal document that she would be faithful to Hillary. Bill did. He's the one that violated the marriage vows, because he's the one that MADE the marriage vows.

Saving marriages when it can be done is great, I agree. But, put the blame where it belongs.

You also failed to note whether you recognize that you make this personal responsibility mistake repeatedly.