itsbob
I bowl overhand
She wasn't detained, she wasn't under arrest, and you can want anything you want, doesn't mean you have a right to it.. I want a friggin Lamborghini.. you better go get me one!!
Individual rights vs Ebola Quarintines
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She wasn't detained, she wasn't under arrest, and you can want anything you want, doesn't mean you have a right to it.. I want a friggin Lamborghini.. you better go get me one!!
luvmygdaughters
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Okay, Africa has had the ebola virus for years. Seems like every few years there is a resurgence of it in areas. THis is not the first time American doctors, nurses and other healthcare providers have been over there treating the ill. BUt, this is the first time the virus has successfully made its way to the US. My question would be, what are we doing differently now then we did before?
Amused_despair
New Member
She wasn't detained? So she was free to walk out of her mandatory quarintine? If someone is not free to leave then they are detained. I guess it is OK if the goivernemnt locks us up if we speak out againt the government and calls it "protective quarantine"? You may be trusting of government, I do not share your optimism, no matter what party is in power.
terbear1225
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clearly you and I have a different definition of detained.
What is the difference between detention and arrest?
Common Reasons for Detention
In a typical detention scenario, law enforcement officers will temporarily stop a person in a public place without transporting the person to another location, for the purpose of (1) requiring the person to justify his presence and activity in the location and (2) to identify himself. For example, if the police see a man loitering or otherwise acting suspicious around an area of town that is known for drug sales, they may detain him for further questioning. If while detaining him, the police have reasonable suspicion that he may be dangerous, the stop may be accompanied by a “patdown” search for weapons. This does not mean that the police can immediately reach into pockets or search a bag without permission. However, if the police feel a “bulge” that they believe could be a weapon, they may reach in to grab it in order to protect themselves.
Other legal methods of searching during a detention include using a metal detector, a drug-sniffing dog, or a computer search to determine if the individual has any outstanding warrants for their arrest. A detention stop enables law enforcement officers, with minimal upset to public tranquility and intrusion into personal rights, to determine whether they should arrest a suspect, investigate further, or take no action because their initial suspicion proved groundless. Further, because the intrusion into personal rights is minimal in a detention, the police do not have to inform an individual of their rights or give Miranda warnings.
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#Ebola Nurse Complaining About Quarantine is Left-Wing Democrat, CDC Employee WITH UPDATE
She co-wrote an anti-pharmaceutical industry op-ed for the Baltimore Sun and advocated against policies that would have developed life-saving drugs. Instead, she called on Johns Hopkins to make all discoveries accessible to the poor. In so arguing, she deprived drug companies of a market and therefore an incentive to develop drugs aimed at Third World populations.
“We ask that new drugs developed from publicly-funded research be made available and affordable to the world’s most vulnerable,” Hickox wrote with several other students. “Without such a policy, our knowledge is only being shared with the wealthy.”
Hichox’s employer, the CDC, strenuously opposes a travel ban or quarantine but Hickox’s employment wasn’t disclosed in the Dallas Morning News article.
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Christy
b*tch rocket
“We ask that new drugs developed from publicly-funded research be made available and affordable to the world’s most vulnerable,” Hickox wrote with several other students.
Completely off topic, but I kind of agree with this. Not so much making available to the world's most vunerable, but to the US taxpayer. I have always had a problem with drug companies charging insane prices for drugs developed on the taxpayers dime. If you develop a new amazing drug using your own money, then charge what you want, but if the taxpayer is footing the bill for the research, then we need to get that drug at a significantly discounted price. JMHO. :shrug:
Midnightrider
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#Ebola Nurse Complaining About Quarantine is Left-Wing Democrat, CDC Employee WITH UPDATE
She co-wrote an anti-pharmaceutical industry op-ed for the Baltimore Sun and advocated against policies that would have developed life-saving drugs. Instead, she called on Johns Hopkins to make all discoveries accessible to the poor. In so arguing, she deprived drug companies of a market and therefore an incentive to develop drugs aimed at Third World populations.
“We ask that new drugs developed from publicly-funded research be made available and affordable to the world’s most vulnerable,” Hickox wrote with several other students. “Without such a policy, our knowledge is only being shared with the wealthy.”
Hichox’s employer, the CDC, strenuously opposes a travel ban or quarantine but Hickox’s employment wasn’t disclosed in the Dallas Morning News article.
Help me understand why where she works or her political affiliation makes a difference. I am not seeing it. If she hadn't been detained this would have never become a story.
What the hell does Miranda rights have to do with anything?
4,912 people have died this year from ebola. I'd say that's pretty bad. The POTENTIAL rapid spread of this disease is why we should be cautious. I do believe if there were a wide spread outbreak in this country, those here who are complaining about the precautions would be the same people complaining about the lack of action on the government's part.
This is pretty bad.
Chris0nllyn
Well-Known Member
More people have died from Cholera in Haiti, 6,631 to be exact. 284,000 died from the Swine Flu...remember that? Or the Asian Flu that killed 2,000,000 people in 1 year? Not to mention the 39,000,000 that have died from AIDS since the 1960s.
I'm not saying that it's not bad, in Africa. I'm saying that it's not bad here.
If we should be cautious based on POTENTIAL, you're opening the door to things that have the potential to be much worse than Ebola.
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Such as?
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Exactly my point.. There is no right to an attorney.. in fact there are no spelled out rights for somebody being quarantined. Miranda or other wise..
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Try quarantined.. not detained.
Chris0nllyn
Well-Known Member
Off the top of my head?
Malaria, Tuberculosis, Yellow Fever, Pertussis, Flu, Meningitis, SARS, Measles, etc.
Sure, we have the treatment for most of these, but they all have the potential to be bad.
terbear1225
Well-Known Member
"de·tain
dəˈtān/
verb
verb: detain; 3rd person present: detains; past tense: detained; past participle: detained; gerund or present participle: detaining
keep (someone) in official custody, typically for questioning about a crime or in politically sensitive situations.
"she was detained without trial for two years"
synonyms: hold, take into custody, take (in), confine, imprison, lock up, put in jail, intern; More
arrest, apprehend, seize;
informalpick up, run in, haul in, nab, collar
"they were detained for questioning"
antonyms: release
keep (someone) from proceeding; hold back.
"she made to open the door, but he detained her"
synonyms: delay, hold up, make late, keep, slow up/down;
hinder, hamper, impede, obstruct"
Midnightrider
Well-Known Member
actually all of your constitutional rights apply...... none of them have a 'quarantine clause'
Could you tell me where there are outbreaks of any of these diseases which are killing 5000 people this year? I haven't heard of any. In reference to your earlier edit. What's with the straw man argument. You do know how you get cholera right? You do understand the difference between aids and ebola and the manner in which both can be transmitted correct? Swine flu? Killed two in all of the 2014. I'm sorry for you to understand this is at epidemic levels but it is. Can you honestly say if there were 100,000 Americans effected with ebola you wouldn't be angry at the government for not doing something? Quarentine laws have been in place for hundreds of years, and have been found to be legal since 1824. That is why we are a country which learns from our mistakes to try to protect those who won't protect themselves.