Is it possible for gays to go to heaven?

PJay

Well-Known Member
And the question was.....

Is it possible for gays to go to heaven?

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From what I have read, God says yes. Now what? Where are you going with this? We know Gods answer.

Your first post ask for ones opinion, so am a bit confused. Personally, I haven't an opinion...and I do not get to decide.
 

Starman3000m

New Member
And the question was....
Is it possible for gays to go to heaven?
:coffee:

Hi hotcoffee -

The answer to this question is found in the Holy Bible.

However, why limit it to just one category? :shrug:

The Truth is that you would have to then start several threads to ask the same question of other sinful situations. For example: Is it possible for adulterers to go to Heaven; Is it possible for fornicators to go to Heaven; Is it possible for drunkards to go to Heaven; Is it possible for murderers to go to Heaven; Is it possible for liars to go to Heaven; Is it possible for cheaters to go to Heaven; Is it possible for extortioners to go to Heaven; Is it possible for bigots to go to Heaven; Is it possible for... well, you get the idea.

The only way forgiveness of sin any sin is possible for one to be able to go to Heaven is throughRepentance: Turning away from that which is sin, and then turning to the Only One who can forgive one's sins - Jesus Christ, The Son of the Living God. Confessing the sin that separates one from God and turning his/her life to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and becoming a born-again Believer through personal faith alone in the Risen Saviour as mentioned in The New Testament Jesus Christ.

Sin (any sin) separates us from God. Genuine Repentance (separation from that sin) through faith in the Atoning Blood of Christ is what washes the sin(s) away and that's what makes it possible for a sinful person to go to Heaven.

Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, do you ask for a ruling from those whose way of life is scorned in the church? I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? But instead, one brother takes another to court—and this in front of unbelievers!

The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

(1 Corinthians 6:3-11)
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Sorry, you can't play God for a fool. He looks upon the heart.



Shows a lot about what is in your heart doesn't it!!

No, it shows absouletly NOTHING about what's in my heart or how good or bad a person I am.

It shows I don't believe in the fairytale, that is all. Nothing more, nothing less..
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
From what I have read, God says yes. Now what? Where are you going with this? We know Gods answer.

Your first post ask for ones opinion, so am a bit confused. Personally, I haven't an opinion...and I do not get to decide.

What are you reading, and which God??

IF they do go to heaven do they spend eternity as a pillar of salt?
 

Starman3000m

New Member
No, it shows absouletly NOTHING about what's in my heart or how good or bad a person I am.

It shows I don't believe in the fairytale, that is all. Nothing more, nothing less..

This addresses who knows what is in the heart of man:

“Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.

...how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.

But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.

For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
(Matthew 12:34-37)
 

cheezgrits

Thought pirate
yes.

My culture believes it's how you live your life that determines the path you will walk in the afterlife.

If you believe in the Christian's way, I don't think the concept is to be able to live a wrong life and at the last second claim salvation.

I think their bible and theology is designed to be a lot like other religions and spirituality and that is to show you how to try and live a just, moral and honorable life. The whole do unto others thing, you know...
 

MDSupremacist

New Member
From what I understand of the requirements, most Christians I know don't qualify.

This is true, but ALL nonChristians don't "qualify" either. Most people go to hell.
Luke 13:24- “Strive to enter by the narrow gate; for many, I say to you, shall seek to enter, and shall not be able.”
 

MDSupremacist

New Member
If Christianity and Heaven are so great, why does it take the threat of eternal damnation to get people to believe and abide??

Seems kind of immature and petty to have to threaten people to do what you say.. or to do what is right.

Hell isn't a threat, it's a reality and a deserved punishment for us. I'm sure there are plenty of people in hell who used that logic too. I'm sure it is zero comfort to them now.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Hell isn't a threat, it's a reality and a deserved punishment for us. I'm sure there are plenty of people in hell who used that logic too. I'm sure it is zero comfort to them now.

Ideally, you are right and there is a hell and it is full of bad people who harmed others, true evil, tormented for all eternity.

Ideally, hell is not full of people who ate shell fish and liked it. Who worked on Sundays and never repented. Who don't think, and feel, exactly as you think they must in order to avoid eternal damnation.
 

hotcoffee

New Member
yes.

My culture believes it's how you live your life that determines the path you will walk in the afterlife.

If you believe in the Christian's way, I don't think the concept is to be able to live a wrong life and at the last second claim salvation.

I think their bible and theology is designed to be a lot like other religions and spirituality and that is to show you how to try and live a just, moral and honorable life. The whole do unto others thing, you know...

Now we're at the reason I brought this whole matter up and now I'm glad I couldn't delete the thread.

OK.... I know a man who lives on the Eastern Shore. He is bi-sexual. Actually he's bi-polar and when he's in a manic phase he tends to exhibit homosexual behavior. He's had a couple of long term homosexual relationships over the years. He's also been married twice and has three children by the first marriage. Within the last 10 years he was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder.

Anyway.... when he's taking his medication for the bi-polar disorder he's really a good hearted person who would do anything to be just, moral and honorable.

About 30-35 years ago this man followed his wife to a revival. He stood [didn't sit] at the back of the church and at the alter call, he ran [not walked but ran] to the alter yelling "I'm Saved".

His wife [the first one with whom he has three children] was mortified by this because she knows him. The church people didn't know him because he didn't attend church with her. They were thrilled because of this display. She remained quiet because the church was making such a big deal out of it.

Several weeks later the pastor of the church made his regular home visit. She confided in the pastor telling him about her husband's past. She told him that one of the reasons they had moved to the area was to get her husband away from the latest affair he had been in. They were trying to repair the marriage for the sake of their child.

The pastor pulled out his Bible. He went to the New Testament and went to the letters [I think it was in Jude]. He said he didn't want to tell her what to do but he did want to show her a verse. The verse told her that she didn't have to stay in the marriage if the marriage was going to cause her to loose her faith.

The pastor had no idea that this woman had already been put through some miserable trials due to this marriage and her faith had sustained her. He was only aware that this woman believed that marriage is a lifetime commitment according to the Bible.

This Bible verse allowed her to look at things in a different light and it allowed her to take a different path a few years later. Yes... she stayed to try to save the marriage and had two more children before things got much worse and she had to leave with the three children and the clothes on their backs.

I don't know if this man found salvation on that night or if he found salvation after that. I have heard that he attends a Methodist or Presbyterian church but I don't know if his attendance is regular or if he has responded to any other alter calls.

Salvation is a personal thing and I really hope that he did enter into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I know that Jesus is the only way to heaven. I do know that no matter how just, moral, and honorable any man is, you cannot earn your way to heaven. You must be born again.

I wonder though.... is it possible that this man did indeed find salvation that night at the revival.

:coffee:
 

b23hqb

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
Yes. Doesn't matter what the sin is, all one has to do is ask for forgiveness and be saved before they die.

Don't know if this has been replied to yet, but I will anyway.

Everybody has their "darling, or pet" sin, the one that many think that God will overlook

I agree that all sin can be forgiven. However, one must abstain from that sin, and as much sin as possible, as a matter of repentance - that is, turning away from that sin(s).

If any person habitually committing a certain sin continues to do so, any observer, and the person themselves, has to seriously question whether they are actually saved. Salvation comes from God, but it requires a true conversion, and that means willingly keeping away from sin as best as possible.

Once a homosexual, always a homosexual, at least in mind. If a homosexual professes the Lord as their Savior, but abstains from a homosexual lifestyle (i.e. - remain celibate or marry a woman - eeeeek, yuck!), then they are probably truly professing belief and faith in God.

However if one continues in the homosexual lifestyle, then I, or any other Christian observer would have to say that, no, they are not saved and will not enter the Kingdom of God.

Christians are recognized by the fruit of their life, not by the fruit of their loins.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Don't know if this has been replied to yet, but I will anyway.

Everybody has their "darling, or pet" sin, the one that many think that God will overlook

I agree that all sin can be forgiven. However, one must abstain from that sin, and as much sin as possible, as a matter of repentance - that is, turning away from that sin(s).

If any person habitually committing a certain sin continues to do so, any observer, and the person themselves, has to seriously question whether they are actually saved. Salvation comes from God, but it requires a true conversion, and that means willingly keeping away from sin as best as possible.

Once a homosexual, always a homosexual, at least in mind. If a homosexual professes the Lord as their Savior, but abstains from a homosexual lifestyle (i.e. - remain celibate or marry a woman - eeeeek, yuck!), then they are probably truly professing belief and faith in God.

However if one continues in the homosexual lifestyle, then I, or any other Christian observer would have to say that, no, they are not saved and will not enter the Kingdom of God.

Christians are recognized by the fruit of their life, not by the fruit of their loins.
That's the way I interpreted what read.
There are no bell curves or relaxation of standards, or societal norms. You live to the standard the Bible sets, go to heaven, if not you don't.

Though acceptable by todays standards, according to the Bible you live a deviant lifestyle (by the Bibles definition this includes homosexuality) you will spend eternity in hell. Pretty cut and dry until you inject societal 'norms', and current day acceptable behavior into your interpretation.
 
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stockgirl

Stocki
How do we even know that there is a heaven and/or hell? Because the Bible tells us so? I would love to believe that there is a heaven but I have no solid proof that there is one and by time I find out...I will not be able to tell anyone about it. :shrug:
 

Misfit

Lawful neutral
How do we even know that there is a heaven and/or hell? Because the Bible tells us so? I would love to believe that there is a heaven but I have no solid proof that there is one and by time I find out...I will not be able to tell anyone about it. :shrug:

Worst case...there isn't and you decided there was so you weren’t a meamie to people, but what if it is true?
 
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