Is Jesus a black man?

This_person

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i am only assuming the charecters in the story are there. yes that is true.
I'm not talking about whether the story is true or not. We both know I think it is and you think it's not. That's not the point at all. I'm just talking reading comprehension. The ability to follow the details of the story. I have shown them, you have denied them after being shown.
the passage you are refering to only describes adam's creation.
Which one are you referring to, the one in Genesis 1, where mankind is created on the six day, or the one in Genesis 2, where Adam is created before the third day? These are two different points in the story.
where does it say that these men who were created on the sixth day were made in gods image? I dont think it does.....
It says man was created in God's image in Genesis 1:26-27. On day six
and the pasages have been given, by 2nda and italian, and even you, but your "Assumptions" have blinded you.
Passages have been given which state that Adam and Eve were the first two people created, I do not dispute this. That Adam called Eve the "mother of the living". I do not dispute this. No passage has been given that explains where the other people come from (except by me), nor any passage that explains these sisters and nieces and nephews and such you describe. No passage has been given that says other people were NOT created. If they were, please re-provide them as I've re-provided Gen 1:26-27 for you a few times.
kind of like your understadning of evolution. you try to slam it into your way of understadning.
My way of understanding was to say that evolution meant I have a common ancestor with a horse. Lo and behold, that's also Darwin's understanding of evolution. My qualm was that I can't believe that, and I asked for proof of it. There is none. Okay, get me closer, prove the last branch split between me and apes. Uh, there's no proof of that either, just conjecture. I was slamming Darwin's understanding against your lack of understanding.
again, i dont care, its your fairy tale. but you are taking more liberties with it than Joseph Smith or the witnesses ever do.....
I'm showing you chapter and verse, and you're responding with what other people say or what you learned years ago in a child's Sunday school class.

Take the words of the story - think of it as an English class. Show me where I'm wrong.
 

tommyjones

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I'm not talking about whether the story is true or not. We both know I think it is and you think it's not. That's not the point at all. I'm just talking reading comprehension. The ability to follow the details of the story. I have shown them, you have denied them after being shown.Which one are you referring to, the one in Genesis 1, where mankind is created on the six day, or the one in Genesis 2, where Adam is created before the third day? These are two different points in the story.
where does it say that these men who were created on the sixth day were made in gods image? I dont think it does.....
It says man was created in God's image in Genesis 1:26-27. On day sixPassages have been given which state that Adam and Eve were the first two people created, I do not dispute this. That Adam called Eve the "mother of the living". I do not dispute this. No passage has been given that explains where the other people come from (except by me), nor any passage that explains these sisters and nieces and nephews and such you describe. No passage has been given that says other people were NOT created. If they were, please re-provide them as I've re-provided Gen 1:26-27 for you a few times.My way of understanding was to say that evolution meant I have a common ancestor with a horse. Lo and behold, that's also Darwin's understanding of evolution. My qualm was that I can't believe that, and I asked for proof of it. There is none. Okay, get me closer, prove the last branch split between me and apes. Uh, there's no proof of that either, just conjecture. I was slamming Darwin's understanding against your lack of understanding.I'm showing you chapter and verse, and you're responding with what other people say or what you learned years ago in a child's Sunday school class.

Take the words of the story - think of it as an English class. Show me where I'm wrong.

all you have shown is that man was created on two differnet days according to the bible. wow, an inconsistancy in the bible, woo freaking whoooo.

nowhere does it state that god created people and sent them to live outside the garden, you have infered that, just as you have infered that the wife of cain was not his sister.

If the story of genesis is to be believed, it is the story of creation, why would the creation of the majority of the humans not be reflected in the story? why would all this lineage of adam and eve be included if there was a whole society of people living just outside of the garden?
why do adam and eve have no contact with these people after they left the garden?

there are lots of reasons to conclude that these other people did not exist.
I mean its gods book. if he wanted us to think there were other people it would have been written explictly. god knows what he is doing, and he directed the writting of the book, why would he get it wrong?

It doesnt really matter, its just funny that you think you have a corner on understanding the bible.
 

tommyjones

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another thing i find funny is that i ahve only ever heard this interpretaion from one other source.......

bigots who like to say that cain was marked by making him and his decendants black so that the world would know them, and that white people decended from adam and eve while the darkies came from that other not choosen the choosen people group. Similar lines of reasoning include god created white people in the form of adam and eve while the rest of humanity evolved from monkeys. pretty laughable, but not too much more so than a cosmic fairy that created the universe in a matter of days .......
 

This_person

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all you have shown is that man was created on two differnet days according to the bible. wow, an inconsistancy in the bible, woo freaking whoooo.
Again, it's either an inconsistency, if you choose to read it that way, or it's an explaination to a series of the George Carlinesque questions you asked. Since it's clear you don't want to even consider answers, you've clearly chosen to see it as a problem instead of a potential answer.
nowhere does it state that god created people and sent them to live outside the garden, you have infered that, just as you have infered that the wife of cain was not his sister.
I haven't made a decision on which I believe for sure, but I don't see a sister born, even though children of Adam and Eve are discussed, but I do see Adam created significantly before Eve, and the day Eve was created it also states God created man, male and female. Well, Eve wasn't male, so that tends to make me think it's at least a possible answer to the question to say God pulled off another creation without all the hub-bub of discussing it, too. And, that assumption is backed up by there being other people without discussing where they came from. It's a logical assumption, but I've not decided which is what the book is trying to tell me. I'm just open minded enough to consider more than one explaination - to read and think for myself.
If the story of genesis is to be believed, it is the story of creation, why would the creation of the majority of the humans not be reflected in the story?
Read Genesis 1:26-27. It is reflected in the story
why would all this lineage of adam and eve be included if there was a whole society of people living just outside of the garden?
Well, where did that lineage end up? Like Roots, the whole story kind of follows a given family.
why do adam and eve have no contact with these people after they left the garden?
At the very least, their kids did. It's not a daily soap opera, so it doesn't say they did nor didn't, really.
there are lots of reasons to conclude that these other people did not exist.
And, reasonable reasons to conclude they did.
I mean its gods book. if he wanted us to think there were other people it would have been written explictly. god knows what he is doing, and he directed the writting of the book, why would he get it wrong?
Who says it's wrong? That you can't accept the possibility of another answer doesn't mean it's wrong. It's just another possibility. You've yet to discredit it with the book; you've only said it's wrong, not defined how it's wrong.
It doesnt really matter, its just funny that you think you have a corner on understanding the bible.
Whoa, Dote. What are you talking about? I don't claim any such thing. My only claim is that you can find all of the answers you NEED to know in the book. I don't claim to understand it any better than anyone else. But, I'm willing to read it and try and figure it out without preconceived notions.
 

This_person

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another thing i find funny is that i ahve only ever heard this interpretaion from one other source.......

bigots who like to say that cain was marked by making him and his decendants black so that the world would know them, and that white people decended from adam and eve while the darkies came from that other not choosen the choosen people group. Similar lines of reasoning include god created white people in the form of adam and eve while the rest of humanity evolved from monkeys. pretty laughable, but not too much more so than a cosmic fairy that created the universe in a matter of days .......
If you're implying that I'm a bigot that thinks this way, you are mistaken. I don't read anything like that in this. Cain was marked, not Cain and his descendents. Cain was worried about Cain, and God marked Cain so that no one would hurt Cain. Nowhere in that does it imply what, specifically, the mark was, nor that it would carry on following generations. Many generations later, another killing occurred by one of his descendants. But, that descendant didn't say anything about being marked, like Cain was.

I'm not sure how that interpretation bears any resemblence to what I'm saying, but you seem to have a hard time following what I say, anyway. You find incredible spins to put on my words that have no bearing on what I say.
 

tommyjones

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Again, it's either an inconsistency, if you choose to read it that way, or it's an explaination to a series of the George Carlinesque questions you asked. Since it's clear you don't want to even consider answers, you've clearly chosen to see it as a problem instead of a potential answer.I haven't made a decision on which I believe for sure, but I don't see a sister born, even though children of Adam and Eve are discussed, but I do see Adam created significantly before Eve, and the day Eve was created it also states God created man, male and female. Well, Eve wasn't male, so that tends to make me think it's at least a possible answer to the question to say God pulled off another creation without all the hub-bub of discussing it, too. And, that assumption is backed up by there being other people without discussing where they came from. It's a logical assumption, but I've not decided which is what the book is trying to tell me. I'm just open minded enough to consider more than one explaination - to read and think for myself.Read Genesis 1:26-27this is talking about the people created on day 6, not adam..... so adam was not created in gods image- a logical assumption. It is reflected in the storyWell, where did that lineage end up? Like Roots, the whole story kind of follows a given family.roots talked about lots of other families, even and the interactions between them. it didn't indicate that all slaves came from one familyAt the very least, their kids did. It's not a daily soap opera, so it doesn't say they did nor didn't, really.And, reasonable reasons to conclude they did. Who says it's wrong? That you can't accept the possibility of another answer doesn't mean it's wrong. It's just another possibility. You've yet to discredit it with the book; you've only said it's wrong, not defined how it's wrong.the story is the story, you have made assuptions the bible speaks clearly about who god created when. there is no logical reason for god not to have mentioned a major portion of his works considering he was in the process of bragging about it

Whoa, Dote. What are you talking about? I don't claim any such thing. My only claim is that you can find all of the answers you NEED to know in the book. I don't claim to understand it any better than anyone else. But, I'm willing to read it and try and figure it out without preconceived notions.

whatever, its your fairy tale as i have said before
 

tommyjones

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If you're implying that I'm a bigot that thinks this way, you are mistaken. I don't read anything like that in this. Cain was marked, not Cain and his descendents. Cain was worried about Cain, and God marked Cain so that no one would hurt Cain. Nowhere in that does it imply what, specifically, the mark was, nor that it would carry on following generations. Many generations later, another killing occurred by one of his descendants. But, that descendant didn't say anything about being marked, like Cain was.

I'm not sure how that interpretation bears any resemblence to what I'm saying, but you seem to have a hard time following what I say, anyway. You find incredible spins to put on my words that have no bearing on what I say.


that god marked cain and his decendants is just as logical an assuption as the ones you have made...... want to show scripture that says his decendants were not marked?


and there is no spin, i was just saying that i had heard the same assinine story from another source. what you do with it i dont care.
 

This_person

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this is talking about the people created on day 6, not adam..... so adam was not created in gods image- a logical assumption.
Adam was a man, and in Genesis 1, and Genesis 5, the book tells that man was created in God's image. Thus, no, not a good assumption if you actually read the stories.
roots talked about lots of other families, even and the interactions between them. it didn't indicate that all slaves came from one
And, it didn't follow all of the slaves, it told of the story of one family, from the point of view of the people in that family, from stories told through the generations and set to paper over a hundred years later. There's actually a pretty good parallel there, don't you think?
the story is the story, you have made assuptions the bible speaks clearly about who god created when. there is no logical reason for god not to have mentioned a major portion of his works considering he was in the process of bragging about it
In what was is this bragging. It ain't braggin' if you back it up! :lol: Seriously, though, it is mentioned, so you're not making a clear argument.
whatever, its your fairy tale as i have said before
Yes, you've called it a fairy tale repeatedly. I'm still not sure why you feel the need to do that. If you find it so ridiculous, you really should just stop talking about it! :roflmao: Perhaps you're just searching, and you don't know how to let go of your ego enough to submit to something else.
 

This_person

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that god marked cain and his decendants is just as logical an assuption as the ones you have made...... want to show scripture that says his decendants were not marked?
Sure.
Genesis 4:15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.​
Note the total and utter absence of any indication this mark was for any off-spring or anyone other than Cain. Thus, here is your verse showing what you asked.
and there is no spin, i was just saying that i had heard the same assinine story from another source. what you do with it i dont care.
How is a story saying that Cain is the father of all black people the same as saying that other people were created on day six, and Adam before day three? Those don't sound similar to me at all. It sounds like a weak attempt to cloud what I'm saying with idiotic BS to make it look like I might be stupid.

You're gonna have to try harder and actually have some substance to your attacks based on what I'm saying, not some sideshow smoke and mirrors falsehood that bears no resemblence to what I'm saying.
 

tommyjones

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Sure.
Genesis 4:15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.​
Note the total and utter absence of any indication this mark was for any off-spring or anyone other than Cain. Thus, here is your verse showing what you asked.How is a story saying that Cain is the father of all black people the same as saying that other people were created on day six, and Adam before day three? Those don't sound similar to me at all. It sounds like a weak attempt to cloud what I'm saying with idiotic BS to make it look like I might be stupid. You got that handled all by yourself, you dont need my help
You're gonna have to try harder and actually have some substance to your attacks based on what I'm saying, not some sideshow smoke and mirrors falsehood that bears no resemblence to what I'm saying.
you didn't show a passage that says cains decendants were not marked, only that cain was.......


just like i can't show you a passage that says no others were created, only that it speaks specifically to who was created and what they did, and that others are not in the story.
 

This_person

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you didn't show a passage that says cains decendants were not marked, only that cain was.......
You're right, I showed the passage as to who was marked, and his descendants were not on the list.
just like i can't show you a passage that says no others were created, only that it speaks specifically to who was created and what they did, and that others are not in the story.
And, the problem with your assertion here is that it shows there are others. There's Cain's wife (whether it's Cain's sister, or another group of people entirely), and the people he feared would kill him (before any were born), etc. And, the male that was created on day six.

So, the only problem with what you're saying is that it's entirely inaccurate.
 

tommyjones

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You're right, I showed the passage as to who was marked, and his descendants were not on the list.And, the problem with your assertion here is that it shows there are others. There's Cain's wife (whether it's Cain's sister, or another group of people entirely), and the people he feared would kill him (before any were born), etc. And, the male that was created on day six.

So, the only problem with what you're saying is that it's entirely inaccurate.

and all these people you assume were created aren't on the list of gods creations either........ :confused:
 

This_person

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and all these people you assume were created aren't on the list of gods creations either........ :confused:
Don't be confused. Re-read the first few chapters of Genesis. They're on the list - they're spoken of in Gen 1:26-27, and again in Gen 4 17-23 (or so, I may not have remembered correctly).

These are the people in question. They couldn't be Adam, he was born much earlier.
 

ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
Ignorance screaming out here?
I can't believe I'm descussing religion with someone that calls himself ItalianScallion.
Your user name screams out desperation for attention from women.
And for some reason I have this image of some fat, hairy,gold chain wearing, bald guy from New York.
But anyhow Mr Stud Muffin.. For your information I do believe in God, Jesus and my Momma.
My Momma thought me not to follow everyone else off of cliffs.
Your Momma thought you how to spell too I see???:lmao:
The devil believes in Jesus too but he's still headed for hell! From your name calling antics here I see little to believe that you know ANYTHING about Jesus. Would He call me those names & make those inferrences that aren't true?
gumbo said:
Has it ever occurred to you that the others in Genesis might of been what we know as cave men.
NO CHANCE!
gumbo said:
Apparently God sometimes was not happy with his creations.
And just perhaps cave man didn't turn out the way he wanted so he tried again with Adam and Eve.
God made Dinosaurs and they didn't work out. God didn't like man much at first and killed all in a flood to start over. So hows God perfect? Why did he decide to start over?
He didn't get man right the first time with the cave man.
He didn't get man right the second time with Adam and Eve.
Nor did he get man right the third time after killing everyone but Moses family with a flood.
Not even close my demonic friend! No Christian would ever say that God isn't perfect.
gumbo said:
The problem with you religious brain washed zombies is that you want to have it all your way to protect your so fragile faith.
I on the other hand have no problem with my faith in God, I fully understand why in those times those types of stories were told.
I also fully understand that greed is the down fall in man and that 90% of all Church's and religions are greed mongers of the worst kind.
Religion has now been made into a billion dollar industry and it all started with them damn greed monger Catholics. The same bunch who put together the Bible from many books. So go jump off of the cliff with the rest of the sheep.
By God if I'm going to hell it will not be because I'm following no brained sheep like you.
AWWW did some big bad church hurt your wittle feelings? Grow up!
And you're well on your way to hell without my help. Your attitude alone will get you there. What belief system do you follow, please? Since you hate all catholics apparently. And now you're going to blame the very people that God TOLD to compile the Bible that they were wrong in how they did it?
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
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Point of reference. God created both Adam and Eve on the sixth day.
Genisus 1:27-31

27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

28God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

29Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;

30and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so.

31God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
 

gumbo

FIGHT CLUB !
Your Momma thought you how to spell too I see???:lmao:
The devil believes in Jesus too but he's still headed for hell! From your name calling antics here I see little to believe that you know ANYTHING about Jesus. Would He call me those names & make those inferrences spelling error that aren't true?
You started it with your inplacations of ignorance. Spelling and writing are nothing more than repetitive skills.

NO CHANCE!
How much proof do you need. Fact! Dinosaurs and cave men were around long before civilization. You ever notice there is no mention of Dinosaurs in Genesis?
Boy! Noha would have had fun getting them on the boat.:lmao:
The second chapter of Genesis acknowledges civilization by name of towns such as Nod.
Agriculture was also present in Genesis. Something that early cave man invented. Bones and old tools don't lie.
Live stock and farming was something that came much later to man, yet from jump street Adam taught his sons how too.


Not even close my demonic friend! No Christian would ever say that God isn't perfect.

I didn't say it. I said your good book implies it.
Unless you look at it as myths to invoke the fear of God.
Which is what was needed back then to keep order.
Actually we need it now too.
However you can't love everyone and kill them at the same time.
If the folklore is true. Why did he kill them all if he got the creation thing right the first time?

AWWW did some big bad church hurt your wittle feelings? Grow up!
And you're well on your way to hell without my help. Your attitude alone will get you there. What belief system do you follow, please? Since you hate all catholics apparently. And now you're going to blame the very people that God TOLD to compile the Bible that they were wrong in how they did it?

The only thing Jesus ever excepted was food and shelter.
There is no excuse why a church would need prime real estate.
There is no excuse why a church should own priceless art.
And there sure is hell is no excuse why anyone should become wealthy preaching the word of God.
The goal of a church is to preserve the word of Christ, not see how wealthy it can become.
Preaching the word of Christ should never be a mans pay check.
Rich man, Camel, Eye of a Needle, Does this ring a bell.

Now show me a church that has no goal to become bigger to furnish the Pastor with a pay check and I'm there.

I pick and choose what I want to believe in the Bible and I have no bones to pick with the New Testament. The Old Testament was a good tool for its day and it's OK for children in Bible studies.

However my opinion of Genesis and most of the OT is that it's nothing more than a genealogy of the Jew and their campfire tales of how they were created separately from the rest of man kind.
God chose them as his people.Please!
If were all from Adam and Eve aren't we all his people.
Here we go..Non perfect again.. How can a father choose some of his children over others?
There are too many of the same story with the names changed, dating before and around this time period not to be folklores.
 
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gumbo

FIGHT CLUB !
Point of reference. God created both Adam and Eve on the sixth day.God He created him; male and female He created them.


Then later after Adam complained about being lonely God made Adam sleep and took a rib from his side to create Eve.
If she was created on the 6th day along with Adam. Why was Adam lonely.

So was there a Lilith? And if so why was she not included in the Bible?





















:shrug:
 
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2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
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You started it with your inplacations of ignorance. Spelling and writing are nothing more than repetitive skills.


How much proof do you need. Fact! Dinosaurs and cave men were around long before civilization. You ever notice there is no mention of Dinosaurs in Genesis?
How do you figure that?
Genesis 1:20-23

20Then God said, "Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens."

21God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

22God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."

23There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

gumbo said:
Boy! Moses would have had fun getting them on the boat.:lmao:
:killingme I think you mean Noah. It is Noah and his sons that built the ark.
You guys always leave out the miraculous. The ark was God's plan. Don't you think He could do a great round up of animals if He could create the universe? Seems like child's play by comparison.
gumbo said:
The second chapter of Genesis acknowledges civilization by name of towns such as Nod.
Agriculture was also present in Genesis. Something that early cave man invented. Bones and old tools don't lie.
Sure they do. They say whatever the guy trying to get the grant money needs them to say. Do you recall that Piltdown Man is a fraud? How about that the Nebraska Man that the Scopes trial was based on was actually based on a single tooth that came from a pig.
gumbo said:
Live stock and farming was something that came much later to man, yet from jump street Adam taught his sons how too.
Yep. You are working from revisionist history. We are working from the history provided by God.


gumbo said:
I didn't say it. I said your good book implies it.
Unless you look at it as myths to invoke the fear of God.
Which is what was needed back then to keep order.
Actually we need it now too.
However you can't love everyone and kill them at the same time.
If the folklore is true. Why did he kill them all if he got the creation thing right the first time?



The only thing Jesus ever excepted was food and shelter.
There is no excuse why a church would need prime real estate.
There is no excuse why a church should own priceless art.
And there sure is hell is no excuse why anyone should become wealthy preaching the word of God.
The goal of a church is to preserve the word of Christ, not see how wealthy it can become.
Preaching the word of Christ should never be a mans pay check.
Rich man, Camel, Eye of a Needle, Does this ring a bell.

Now show me a church that has no goal to become bigger to furnish the Pastor with a pay check and I'm there.

I pick and choose what I want to believe in the Bible and I have no bones to pick with the New Testament. The Old Testament was a good tool for its day and it's OK for children in Bible studies.

However my opinion of Genesis and most of the OT is that it's nothing more than a genealogy of the Jew and their campfire tales of how they were created separately from the rest of man kind.
God chose them as his people.Please!
If were all from Adam and Eve aren't we all his people.
Here we go..Non perfect again.. How can a father choose some of his children over others?
There are too many of the same story with the names changed, dating before and around this time period not to be folklores.
You pick and choose what you want to believe in the Bible. God lets you pick whether you believe His word of not; His plan or not. By picking only part, you reject the rest.

God does not pick one of His children over the others. He lets His children make the decision for Him by rejecting His word and His plan of forgiveness and salvation. You chose.

Seems you have made your choice, but you can repent up until the day you die. After that, your choice has been made.
 

gumbo

FIGHT CLUB !
How do you figure that?
Then there were cave men. How many skeletons do they have to find?



:killingme I think you mean Noah.
I know that. I was talking and typing.

It is Noah and his sons that built the ark.
You guys always leave out the miraculous. The ark was God's plan. Don't you think He could do a great round up of animals if He could create the universe? Seems like child's play by comparison.
Sure they do. They say whatever the guy trying to get the grant money needs them to say. Do you recall that Piltdown Man is a fraud? How about that the Nebraska Man that the Scopes trial was based on was actually based on a single tooth that came from a pig.Yep. You are working from revisionist history. We are working from the history provided by God.
No! You are working from history provided by a story that was first told by men to men, then later written by men, then translated by more men.



You pick and choose what you want to believe in the Bible. God lets you pick whether you believe His word of not; His plan or not. By picking only part, you reject the rest.

I believe. I just interpret the stories different than you.

God does not pick one of His children over the others. He lets His children make the decision for Him
Are the Jews not his chosen people? Did he not choose to let Noah's family live as he drowned the rest?
by rejecting His word and His plan of forgiveness and salvation. You chose.
I don't reject. Again I interpret it differently than you.

Seems you have made your choice, but you can repent up until the day you die. After that, your choice has been made.

We should all make our own choice and base our own beliefs of God on our own interpretation. Not those given by the masses of others.
Everyone has their own relationship with the father. Mine is not the same as yours.
How do you know that God didn't choose me to go down another path.

As a modern man of a modern world, having more knowledge than ever before in the history of mankind.
We still quest for knowledge of our being.
In the early days men asked these questions.
But man was superstitious and ignorant and God knew he couldn't reveal more than man could handle.
So the stories were appropriate for there time.

How do you know that God wouldn't rather me believe the way I believe, rather than for me to lose faith in him and not believe in him at all.

Maybe God has me write what I write because others have lost faith in him. Because in these modern times the Old Testament stories are just to hard to swallow for modern man.

All who has written words inspired by his faith in God has been persecuted by the masses of the faith.
 

This_person

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Point of reference. God created both Adam and Eve on the sixth day.
Normally, I would agree with you. However, Gen 2 clearly shows Adam being created earlier:
Genesis 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.​
Before!

Genesis 1:11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13And the evening and the morning were the third day.​
Thus, before the third day. Basically, the second day. This is what the two chapters of Genesis show us about when Adam was created.

Now, Eve, on the other hand:
Genesis 2:18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.​
So, this is AFTER the cattle, the foul, the plants, etc. This is day 6.



99.999999% of the time, I would defer to your higher biblical knowledge. However, this is very clear.
 
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