Is Jesus a black man?

[This_person]

001:027 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them.

001:028 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have
dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Do I need to go to the next chapter where Eve is created?
So there must have been another woman. Could of her name been Lilith?

Then Cain killed Able.

004:013 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

004:014 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

004:015 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

004:016 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

At this point Adam and Eve only had two children. Who were these other people and where did the town of Nod come from?

Don't take the snippets of stories you hear about, and think they're the complete stories.

Don't you see you've answered your own question?

Chapter One talks big picture about the timeline for which everything was created. Chapter Two talks specifically about Adam and Eve. Adam was created before the plants and animals and such, Eve after. When God sees "no suitable helper" for Adam, perhaps this was from all of the other mankind that he had created, but not placed in the Garden. Thus, the plethora of people from whom Cain chose his wife. In other words, Chapter One laid the enormous picture, Chapter Two started to fill in some of the pertinent details. God created Adam before the rest of the living things, before the rest of mankind. Then, He found a "suitable helper" for Adam, and Adam called her Eve. Meanwhile, the first chapter already explained where Cain's wife came from, where the other people he was worried about came from.

The answers are actually all there. If you read with an open mind, not trying to George Carlin out some sarcastic scenerio, you'll actually find the answers.

We're only four chapters into the Bible.

There are about 4,000 kinds of mammals. Today? Or then? Time two plus food and water in this boat? Oh, and for how many days?

006:015 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

One cubit is about a foot and half. Which would make it about 150 yards long, 25 yards wide and 15 yards deep. With three floors.
That would put 2,666 animals on each floor.

Opp's now we got a throw in a monkey wrench.
The rodent has 1,700 species. Not to forget all the species of Cats,Goats, Cattle and so on time 2
And lets not forget.

06:020 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

006:021 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

Creeping things, like is in reptiles, there are about 6,000 of them time 2.

Don't forget, some animals and birds it was seven pairs, not just one pair. And, yes, that's what they did. Perhaps, due to the changes caused by evolution, there were not so many variations - heck, not even as many specific species - back then. Perhaps, as this was thousands (and possibly more) years ago, what we have today is not a very good guide for what they had then in terms of species. Perhaps, it all fit. I mean, this was a time when Noah was around 600 years old. People don't live 600+ years anymore. Things are a good bit different.

All this was well and fine in the stone ages of a lawless land.

Camp fire tales to keep man doing the right thing. Fear God!

Really? If it's so obviously wrong to you, don't you think people who had to actually do stuff like build things with their hands, determine family by knowing who was who, etc., could have figured out the "flaws"? Maybe they're only flaws in the mind of someone who's out to prove there are flaws, but the flaws really aren't there to an objective reader.

Infallible. Not even close! The Book was writen by man in the spirit of God.
But it was still writen by man and put together by man for man.

Man has done nothing thats infallible.

Maybe not, but the story works.

 

[2ndAmendment]

How can you say there is no proof? Humans, archaeology, the rest of creation, etc. but I guess you want God to appear right in front of you before you believe in him, right? And I guess you don't believe in anything that you can't see or touch either, right Bob? You're unbelievable (no pun intended).

Bob will get his chance to see God. I hope Bob falls to his knees and find salvation before that happens. If he does not, it will be too late. Nothing sadder than the funeral of a non-believer; no hope, no joy, just loss.

 

[PsyOps]

Then you read with rose colored glasses.

001:027 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them.

001:028 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have
dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Do I need to go to the next chapter where Eve is created?
So there must have been another woman. Could of her name been Lilith?

Lilith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then Cain killed Able.

004:013 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I
can bear.

004:014 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the
earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a
fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to
pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

004:015 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain,
vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a
mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

004:016 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in
the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

At this point Adam and Eve only had two children. Who were these other people and where did the town of Nod come from?

Were only four chapters into the Bible.

Chapter 1 of Genesis explains God’s creation to include man. Chapter 2 explains, in a little more detail, the creation and roles of man. I believe there may have been others created during the events of creation, but the Bible’s purpose (in my understanding) in terms of Adam and Eve are in genealogy.

There are about 4,000 kinds of mammals. Time two plus food and water in this boat? Oh, and for how many days?

006:015 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The
length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth
of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

One cubit is about a foot and half. Which would make it about 150 yards long, 25 yards wide and 15 yards deep. With three floors.
That would put 2,666 animals on each floor.

Opp's now we got a throw in a monkey wrench.
The rodent has 1,700 species. Not to forget all the species of Cats,Goats, Cattle and so on time 2
And lets not forget.

06:020 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of
every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every
sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

006:021 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou
shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee,
and for them.

Creeping things, like is in reptiles, there are about 6,000 of them time 2.

I've often wondered about how Noah fit all these creatures on the ark. The Bible isn't specific about how species existed during this time. As far as enough water goes, it seems there was an endless supply for them to drink, coming from the sky.

All this was well and fine in the stone ages of a lawless land.
Camp fire tales to keep man doing the right thing. Fear God!

Infallible. Not even close! The Book was writen by man in the spirit of God.
But it was still writen by man and put together by man for man.

Man has done nothing thats infallible.

I don’t find these “campfire tales” to be any more or less incredible than the stories of evolution claiming we are a result of spontaneous, arbitrary chemical interactions in our universe all starting from a tiny speck exploding in the some remote spot in space; which no one can explain how that tiny speck got there in the first place.

I don’t claim to understand these stories in the Bible any more than I understand how it is evolution can result US. All I know is (and I think I can speak for all Christians in this sense) God came into my heart a long time ago and affected me. I believe the Bible is not meant to explain how we got here to the detail, or explain certain events in their absolute contexts. I believe the Bible is an explanation for God’s plan for our salvation; to bring us back to God. Does it make sense to me? To some does and some doesn’t. I rely on my faith; something I don’t expect non-believers to comprehend.

 

[tommyjones]

Don't take the snippets of stories you hear about, and think they're the complete stories.

do like TP and make shiat up as you go along.....

Chapter One talks big picture about the timeline for which everything was created. Chapter Two talks specifically about Adam and Eve. Adam was created before the plants and animals and such, Eve after. When God sees "no suitable helper" for Adam, perhaps this was from all of the other mankind that he had created, but not placed in the Garden.

 

[This_person]

What did I make up?

The bible explains how man was created in Chapter One, then explains how Adam was created in Chapter Two. In Chapter Two, Adam was created before all of the other creatures, and Eve after - as if Adam were a distinctly different set of circumstance than the rest of mankind. As if, when looking for a suitable helper from his other creations, He did not find one suitable for this special man He created.

All I'm saying is, the answers are there. Look. I'm not making any of this up. You can try and spin a lie out of truth, but it ain't happening here.

 

[tommyjones]

What did I make up?

The bible explains how man was created in Chapter One, then explains how Adam was created in Chapter Two. In Chapter Two, Adam was created before all of the other creatures, and Eve after - as if Adam were a distinctly different set of circumstance than the rest of mankind. As if, when looking for a suitable helper from his other creations, He did not find one suitable for this special man He created.

All I'm saying is, the answers are there. Look. I'm not making any of this up. You can try and spin a lie out of truth, but it ain't happening here.

you are making up the whole part about god creating people other than adam and eve. you can not point to any scripture that supports your position.

you are filling in the voids with what ever makes you feel good about the your interpretation of the story.


Adam and eve were created, that is the "distinctly different set of circumstance than the rest of mankind" the rest of mankind were born of mothers and fathers

 

[This_person]

you are making up the whole part about god creating people other than adam and eve. you can not point to any scripture that supports your position.

you are filling in the voids with what ever makes you feel good about the your interpretation of the story.


Adam and eve were created, that is the "distinctly different set of circumstance than the rest of mankind" the rest of mankind were born of mothers and fathers

Genesis 1:27 shows "man" being created on the sixth day. Genesis 2:4-7 shows that Adam, specifically and distinctly different from Genesis 1, was created before that.

Thus, there is reference to what I'm saying. AND, I'm saying it as a potential answer, not a church-blessed answer. Read it for yourself, looking for the clues, and you'll find the answers are there. I've made nothing up, and I'm backing up my hypothesis about what the scripture says with - SCRIPTURE.

Sorry to discredit your accusation!

 

[tommyjones]

Genesis 1:27 shows "man" being created on the sixth day. Genesis 2:4-7 shows that Adam, specifically and distinctly different from Genesis 1, was created before that.

Thus, there is reference to what I'm saying. AND, I'm saying it as a potential answer, not a church-blessed answer. Read it for yourself, looking for the clues, and you'll find the answers are there. I've made nothing up, and I'm backing up my hypothesis about what the scripture says with - SCRIPTURE.

Sorry to discredit your accusation!

i dont see anything in those two passages to indicate they are talking about different events.....

what day was adam created?

the bible is full of parrellel stories.....

 

[This_person]

i dont see anything in those two passages to indicate they are talking about different events.....

what day was adam created?

Okay, I'll break it down more specifically.

Genesis 1:11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

Genesis 2:4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.
When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- 7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Thus, Adam was before the third day.

Now, the rest of mankind:

Genesis 1:24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

Genesis 2: 19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

So, it looks like Eve, and the rest of mankind, was created around the sixth day.

 

[PsyOps]

Gumbo
They do look through rose colored glasses, when you point out errors they have their response down pat.

"It's errors in the translation"

of course when you ask, "how can you emphatically trust the accuracy of a document when you KNOW it is replete with errors" they have that one covered too

"The errors dont matter, it gets the message accross"

Belief/Faith gives comfort in the absence of Facts

Specifically what facts are absent?

 

[PsyOps]

i dont see anything in those two passages to indicate they are talking about different events.....

what day was adam created?

the bible is full of parrellel stories.....

I think it it was a Thursday.

 

[tommyjones]

Okay, I'll break it down more specifically.
Thus, Adam was before the third day.

Now, the rest of mankind:

So, it looks like Eve, and the rest of mankind, was created around the sixth day.

the bolded part is your interpretation....

i was always taught that god was speaking of adam and eve when he said go forth and multiply...

so was adam NOT made in god's image as the description you posted says? that description only says that adam was made from the earth and that god breathed him into life.

the 'others' you are talking about were clearly made in god's image.

so is everyone but adam made in god's image, or is this just another case of the bible describing the same thing from two points of view?

 

[2ndAmendment]

Jeremiah 1:5"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
And before you were born I consecrated you;
I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."

God creates us all. The biological mechanism is just that. Without God forming you, you don't exist. That is why we are all His children. Some of us acknowledge that like good children and obey our Father's ordinances. Some reject their Father and in doing so, lose their inheritance.

 

[tommyjones]

God creates us all. The biological mechanism is just that. Without God forming you, you don't exist. That is why we are all His children. Some of us acknowledge that like good children and obey our Father's ordinances. Some reject their Father and in doing so, lose their inheritance.

so in your opinion god directly created adam and eve, and then created all of mankind in the womb?

does that mean that adam and eve were the only people on earth at the time of her creation?

 

[This_person]

i was always taught that god was speaking of adam and eve when he said go forth and multiply...

Because that's what is taught does not mean that's what it says. Read it, come to your own conclusion.

so is everyone but adam made in god's image, or is this just another case of the bible describing the same thing from two points of view?

It's clearly not the same thing, as it was done at significantly different times in world history. Adam was days before any other form of life, including plants. The rest of mankind was significantly later than this. Thus, it is NOT the same thing from two different points of view. It seems clear to me that these are two separate, distinct instances of creation. This explains where the people came from for Cain's wife, for Cain to worry about being mean to him, etc.

Adam is Hebrew for "man", so I'm thinking that he was also created in His image. But, it does not specifically state that. Since his kids were mankind, his wife was mankind, he's referrred to as a man by God, etc., it seems pretty clearly obvious that he was similar to the rest of mankind. But, he was clearly different as to when he was created, his status as to being in the Garden, his status to name all of the individual things, etc.

You can spin it any way you want to meet the memories of a child being taught something turned cynical adult, but read it with an open mind, and see that Adam was clearly different than the rest of mankind. This isn't an error, this is reading deeper than VBS into Genesis.

 

[2ndAmendment]

so in your opinion god directly created adam and eve, and then created all of mankind in the womb?

Including you, unless you happen to be a spirit posing as mankind. God gives the spirit of life.

does that mean that adam and eve were the only people on earth at the time of her creation?

God formed Adam from the dust of the earth. God formed Eve from the rib of Adam. God instructed them to fill the earth. They were created perfect. They chose their imperfection by disobeying God. There were only one law; don't eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge. There were no other laws, ordinances, or even the Ten Commandments. There was no imperfection so incest did not exists because it was not defined. There were no mutations due to inbreeding since inbreeding was not defined and since the human genome was perfect at that time perfection crossed with perfection still yielded perfection.

Even us humans, at least in the U.S., have a prohibition against ex-post facto laws. God does not hold humans responsible for actions done prior to ordinances. God did not want to give the Israelites the Ten Commandments, but they insisted. Look what it got all man kind. God did not want the Israelites to have a king. They insisted; look what it got them.

I have ignored you, but this seemed sincere. I will again ignore you if you try to take this in one of your tiresome circles.

 

[Geek]

Bob will get his chance to see God. I hope Bob falls to his knees and find salvation before that happens. If he does not, it will be too late. Nothing sadder than the funeral of a non-believer; no hope, no joy, just loss.

And the funeral of a little Jewish boy. Is that just loss as well?

 

[This_person]

There were only one law; don't eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge. There were no other laws, ordinances, or even the Ten Commandments.

Not really a disagreement, just a clarification. There were two "trees" to not be touched, that of the knowledge of good and evil, and that of eternal life. Eve screwed up, and enlisted Adam to screw up with her, with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but they didn't touch life. It's still protected. So, one law, but TWO trees, not one.

Not a disagreement, just a clarification.

 

[tommyjones]

Including you, unless you happen to be a spirit posing as mankind. God gives the spirit of life.



God formed Adam from the dust of the earth. God formed Eve from the rib of Adam. God instructed them to fill the earth. They were created perfect. They chose their imperfection by disobeying God. There were only one law; don't eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge. There were no other laws, ordinances, or even the Ten Commandments. There was no imperfection so incest did not exists because it was not defined. There were no mutations due to inbreeding since inbreeding was not defined and since the human genome was perfect at that time perfection crossed with perfection still yielded perfection.

Even us humans, at least in the U.S., have a prohibition against ex-post facto laws. God does not hold humans responsible for actions done prior to ordinances. God did not want to give the Israelites the Ten Commandments, but they insisted. Look what it got all man kind. God did not want the Israelites to have a king. They insisted; look what it got them.

I have ignored you, but this seemed sincere. I will again ignore you if you try to take this in one of your tiresome circles.

so you are reading it the way i was taught. god created 2 people, the rest of us are their children....(created in the womb of our mothers by the hand of god)


Its good to know someone well versed in the bible has a similar understanding.



and TP, adam is clearly different than the rest of man kind in that he was created directly by god, the rest of us were born to a mother..... thats the difference.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Not really a disagreement, just a clarification. There were two "trees" to not be touched, that of the knowledge of good and evil, and that of eternal life. Eve screwed up, and enlisted Adam to screw up with her, with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but they didn't touch life. It's still protected. So, one law, but TWO trees, not one.

Not a disagreement, just a clarification.

Nope. They were free to eat from the tree of life.

Genesis 2:9-17

9Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four rivers.

11The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold.

12The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there.

13The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.

14The name of the third river is Tigris; it flows east of Assyria And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

15Then the LORD God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it.

16The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;

17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."