Jehovah's Witness mother of twins refuses blood transfusion then dies.

itsbob

itsbob

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Geek said:
That did not work in Upstate NY, where I went to college. We asked them to stop, ignored the door, had girl make out sessions, nothing changed their minds, they kept coming back :shrug:
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It MIGHT work for the JW and 7th Day missionaries.. they are usually people form the local church that live there, and will still be living in that area the next time it comes to knocking on doors..

The Mormons however, usually change out every three months or so. They aren't from the area, and don't live there, and a good chance they (specifically) wil only knock on your door once during their "tour".. but their replacements will come back.. Their record keeping isn't THAT good from missionary to missionary..
 
~mellabella~

~mellabella~

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bresamil said:
Just so you know, if you tell them to please not come back, they won't. Same thing with the young Mormon missionaries.
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Thats wrong for both JW's and Mormons. Maybe not in all areas, but in Va, I had the same couple of women come to my door every week. It started out I was annoyed, but ended up engaging in hour long conversations with them. Nice people.
 
tommyjones

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awpitt said:
May be true but my church doesn't tell me to refuse treatment that can prevent death.
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and you might be missing out on an eternity in heaven with the lord as a result :shrug:

the fact is that your church is just as likely to be incorrect as theirs is, you are both working from interpretations of the same book.
 
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bresamil

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~mellabella~ said:
Thats wrong for both JW's and Mormons. Maybe not in all areas, but in Va, I had the same couple of women come to my door every week. It started out I was annoyed, but ended up engaging in hour long conversations with them. Nice people.
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Perhaps it depends on whether they think they can convert you.
I have a family member who is a witness. She said whenever they are politely asked to not return or see a no RELIGIOUS solicitation sign, they have respected it and pass on the information to other members of the congregation. She is a member of the Hughesville hall.

The Mormons that have come to my door were staying with a family in the neighborhood. I talked politely with them, told them my beliefs, asked that they mark the house for a no return. None of the missionaries since them have returned.
 
awpitt

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Inkpen said:
How will they know what they missed if they never knew it in the first place.

What do you tell the kids whos parents are shot and killed in Iraq...are they gonna grow up messed up becasue momma died or daddy died?

What is the difference?

A dead parent is a dead parent...and mothers die in child birth and not are all JWs...
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There is a difference. Some deaths are avoidable others are not. In this case, the death was avoidbale had she been allowed to follow the DRs' advice.
 
mAlice

mAlice

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I don't know why you all have a problem getting rid of JW's.

The bible clearly states that you are to have no dealings with apostates.

Romans 16:17, 18); "quit mixing in company with" them (1 Corinthians 5:11); and "never receive [them] into your homes or say a greeting to [them]" (2 John 9, 10).
 
awpitt

awpitt

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tommyjones said:
its not a fact just becasue it is YOUR opinion

BTW, there are lots of things that your church is against that wasn't around when the bible was written.
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The Bible supports my opinion in that it lack supporting language for what the JWs did to that women.
 
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bresamil said:
Perhaps it depends on whether they think they can convert you.
I have a family member who is a witness. She said whenever they are politely asked to not return or see a no RELIGIOUS solicitation sign, they have respected it and pass on the information to other members of the congregation. She is a member of the Hughesville hall.

The Mormons that have come to my door were staying with a family in the neighborhood. I talked politely with them, told them my beliefs, asked that they mark the house for a no return. None of the missionaries since them have returned.
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Like I said, I know not all of them are like that. But they were more curious in what I believe than anything. At first they sort of pushed, but then they sat back and we had some really nice talks.
 
MMDad

MMDad

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awpitt said:
The Bible supports my opinion in that it lack supporting language for what the JWs did to that women.
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If instead of eating the forbidden fruit Eve had injected it, do you think that would have circumvented the prohibition?

Why would it be okay to inject blood if the Bible says not to?

Their interpretation of the Bible is no less valid than yours.
 
Dymphna

Dymphna

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Inkpen said:
And no "free" country can force any medical procedure on an adult.
That is what a Consent form is for....

She still has the right to practice the religion of her choosing.

A lot has changed since Henery the VIII ya know.....
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I don't believe Britain claims to be a "free" country, at least not the same way that the US does. Yes, they are much more "enlightened." But they don't make any claims about government not interfering in certain areas. Their government reserves the right to interfere whenever and in whatever they choose. In actual practice, they may not do it much, but public outrage at a "senseless" death....it wouldn't surprise me at all.
 
tommyjones

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awpitt said:
The Bible supports my opinion in that it lack supporting language for what the JWs did to that women.
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the witnesses didn't do anything to that lady. She put in writting what she wanted in the case of a complication.

It was her faith, yours is different, but it doesn't invalidate hers.


BTW, i am sure that there are more references in the bible than the one quoted earlier.
I have had long conversations with JW's and they tend to reference the bible for all of their beliefs.
 
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awpitt said:
There is a difference. Some deaths are avoidable others are not. In this case, the death was avoidbale had she been allowed to follow the DRs' advice.
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She folllowed her FAITH...get it?
Her FAITH in her Lord, and His teachings over rode a Drs advise.
How was it avoidable?
Jesus did not have to die, his death was avoidable, but because of his faith, he died.

And why do kids volunteer for the military and go to war and die?

That is ia avoidable death. They did not HAVE to go and get killed.

But they had a deep faith in their beliefs of defending the freedom of others, and died because of their faith.
 
tommyjones

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awpitt said:
I said I was a Protestant Christian. What church are you refering to?
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how about abortion? how about heroin? Crack?

none of those were around in their current form when the bible was written, does that mean that your church doesn't preach against their use?
 
ImnoMensa

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tommyjones said:
well then your faith is lacking.
if you can disgard your religion when it doesnt suit you, why have religion at all?
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I didnt say my faith wasnt lacking, I also wont say I would die for my faith when I really dont know ,and wont know until the time comes.

Nor will you despite your intolerance of my doubts.

No one knows what one will do unil the time comes.

Hopefully it never will for either of us.
 
Dymphna

Dymphna

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:tantrum You're the one...you know the reason they keep coming back is that SOME people eventually break down and chat with them. YOU give them hope. :smack:
 
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