Joel Osteen on Mormonism

[Bustem' Down]

No they don't. There is only one God but they believe in many gods who were humans first don't they?

No, there is only one God. God the Father who created the earth in Genesis. It is a Monotheistic religion.

 

[itsbob]

Your back side is showing as it usually does.

Calling someone or something a cult just because they believe different than you is hate, pure and simple..

Just becasue you don't understand what they believe, or chose to believe a different doctrine doesn't make them a cult, it makes them different. Their goals are the same, they are decent people over all, clean, family oriented, they don't drink they don't smoke and most of them walk the walk, not just talk the talk.. but go ahead, make fun and denigrate, I'm sure the Catholics feel the same way about your chosen religion..

Sounds to me like Joel is the only true Christian amongst all of the ones that say they are..

 

[2ndAmendment]

Do you remember this from your days as a Mormon, or something someone else told you.. because my days in Sunday School and Priesthood focused mainly on The New Testament, and the Book or Mormon.. and if you understood what the Book of Mormon really is maybe you'd undestand better.. it's just another line of genealogy.. The people that Christ came to see on this continent (North and South America), that are also descendants of Adam and Eve..

Never said I was a Mormon. I said I considered becoming a Mormon. Chose not to.

 

[ItalianScallion]

You wouldn't change your mind most likely. My Bro told me of several people that they stoped talking to becase the realized that there was no intrest in joining, that the people were more interested in having a "you're wrong" debate so he would move on and stop wasting his time.

Yes, I understand that, but to me, it not so much who'se right or wrong, it's more like I need to show you the truth and HOPE that the Holy Spirit will convict you to change your way of thinking and get saved. People see this as hatred and bigotry but, I assure you, it is done out of concern & love.

 

[Bustem' Down]

Yes, I understand that, but to me, it not so much who'se right or wrong, it's more like I need to show you the truth and HOPE that the Holy Spirit will convict you to change your way of thinking and get saved. People see this as hatred and bigotry but, I assure you, it is done out of concern & love.

They feel the same way, that's why they walk away. The Spirit will talk to you and bring you back to them.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Calling someone or something a cult just because they believe different than you is hate, pure and simple..

Just becasue you don't understand what they believe, or chose to believe a different doctrine doesn't make them a cult, it makes them different. Their goals are the same, they are decent people over all, clean, family oriented, they don't drink they don't smoke and most of them walk the walk, not just talk the talk.. but go ahead, make fun and denigrate, I'm sure the Catholics feel the same way about your chosen religion..

Sounds to me like Joel is the only true Christian amongst all of the ones that say they are..

No it isn't.

cult \ˈkəlt\
Function:
noun
Usage:
often attributive
Etymology:
French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate — more at wheel
Date:
1617

1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
​

A cult is a particular group of people that adhere to certain beliefs.

I am not denigrating. I do not believe that the beliefs of Mormonism asre consistent with the Bible. You think they are. We disagree.

 

[itsbob]

No it isn't.

cult \ˈkəlt\
Function:
noun
Usage:
often attributive
Etymology:
French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate — more at wheel
Date:
1617

1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
​

A cult is a particular group of people that adhere to certain beliefs.

I am not denigrating. I do not believe that the beliefs of Mormonism asre consistent with the Bible. You think they are. We disagree.

So where does the Mormon religion meet the criteria of a cult where yours does not??

 

[Bustem' Down]

No it isn't.

cult \ˈkəlt\
Function:
noun
Usage:
often attributive
Etymology:
French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate — more at wheel
Date:
1617

1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
​

A cult is a particular group of people that adhere to certain beliefs.

I am not denigrating. I do not believe that the beliefs of Mormonism asre consistent with the Bible. You think they are. We disagree.

That can apply to all Protestant faiths, so why use it for just Mormons?

 

[itsbob]

3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4.

If you believe The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one, that goes in the face of the majority of mainstream religion.. Catholics don't believe nor do most Protestants..

So you sir, by your definition, are in a cult.

 

[2ndAmendment]

If you believe The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one, that goes in the face of the majority of mainstream religion.. Catholics don't believe nor do most Protestants..

So you sir, by your definition, are in a cult.

You obviously don't understand the majority of Christian mainstream religion, which believes in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as One God, the I AM.

Have a Happy New Year.

 

[2ndAmendment]

So where does the Mormon religion meet the criteria of a cult where yours does not??

Just this one and then I have to go.

Because Mormons have other books they use as authority beside the Bible.

 

[itsbob]

You obviously don't understand the majority of Christian mainstream religion, which believes in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as One God, the I AM.

Have a Happy New Year.

Now Catholics aren't Christian either??

 

[2ndAmendment]

Now Catholics aren't Christian either??

OK. Last one, really.

Yes. They are Christians. They believe in the Trinity; Father, Son, Holy Spirit; One God.

 

[ItalianScallion]

No, there is only one God. God the Father who created the earth in Genesis. It is a Monotheistic religion.

Right & wrong. There is only one God but He is revealed to us as a Triune God. In Genesis 1 v 26, 3 v 22, 11 v 7 & Isaiah 6 v 8, the Bible states that God said "let us...". How could God be One and say "us"? In John the Baptist time, Jesus was getting baptized and the Father's voice came from heaven and the Holy Spirit came to rest on Jesus. Was God a ventriloquist and the Holy Spirit really a bird? NO, God is One in essence but 3 in Beings. This is a fatal flaw for many "religions".
And Paul said (Colossians 1 v 16) that Jesus created all things. Is he wrong or are the Mormons? Easy call here.

 

[itsbob]

Just this one and then I have to go.

Because Mormons have other books they use as authority beside the Bible.

Doesn't make them a cult, makes them different...

Denigrating a religion that preaches family values, clean living, being Christ like in your daily life.. seems pointless and hateful.. I no longer practice the religion because I had some problems with what the church believes.. but I still have a lot of respect for their members, and would NEVER consider the people I know that are members cultists, but just GOOD people with strong convictions... THey preach to their kids daily, they read the BIBLE together as a family.. have family nights at home based on the bible and it's teachings.. Sunday is just another day in the life as they practice their religion EVERYday.. I can not, and will not EVER hold that against any of them.

Join in the mass hysteria, and continue to call them a cult.. but bet in your time of need, no matter how much you spout hate, and unacceptance, that if you need it, one, or all of them would not hesitate to help you and your family.

 

[itsbob]

OK. Last one, really.

Yes. They are Christians. They believe in the Trinity; Father, Son, Holy Spirit; One God.

That's true.. the TRINITY.. meaning THREE beings.. the Father, AND the Son, AND the Holy Spirit.. ONE God!

 

[Bustem' Down]

Right & wrong. There is only one God but He is revealed to us as a Triune God. In Genesis 1 v 26, 3 v 22, 11 v 7 & Isaiah 6 v 8, the Bible states that God said "let us...". How could God be One and say "us"? In John the Baptist time, Jesus was getting baptized and the Father's voice came from heaven and the Holy Spirit came to rest on Jesus. Was God a ventriloquist and the Holy Spirit really a bird? NO, God is One in essence but 3 in Beings. This is a fatal flaw for many "religions".
And Paul said (Colossians 1 v 16) that Jesus created all things. Is he wrong or are the Mormons? Easy call here.

So what do you think? I think, based on what's written, not what I believe, that God was not alone when the earth was created, but at the same time, he was the only God. He did have angels.

 

[ItalianScallion]

So what do you think? I think, based on what's written, not what I believe, that God was not alone when the earth was created, but at the same time, he was the only God. He did have angels.

That would be fine if the Bible said that the angels had something to do with creation, but it doesn't. It says that Jesus did. And it says, many times, that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God so that explains the "us" part.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

He is.

Is that the ONLY verse in there? If you knew how to interpret the Bible you'd see the truth. And, that IS Christian. Jesus is God incarnate (in the flesh), He claimed to be the great "I AM" (John 8 v 58) and said that He'd raise Himself up from the dead after 3 days in the grave AND HE DID. Man can't raise himself from the dead. Bustem, I hope you didn't pay for your seminary training. I could give you hundreds of verses showing the Deity of Christ but you wouldn't read nor believe them.
This is what I meant when I said: if you aren't saved and don't know the Bible, you should listen, ask questions and not make assertions about a book that you don't understand. Not being mean here folks, just truthful.

That's how I understood it.

I'm Methodist, btw.

 

[Bustem' Down]

That would be fine if the Bible said that the angels had something to do with creation, but it doesn't. It says that Jesus did. And it says, many times, that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God so that explains the "us" part.

There's a lot that the bible doesn't say, if that weren't so, then there would only be one Christian faith.