More on that Birth Certificate thing...

[ylexot]

He "took" his step father's last name? He has a kid. He didn't take any name. He just used the name everyone else in his house used. That doesn't mean he was adopted. Heck, I know someone who was adopted at age eight but he used his adoptive parent's name the whole time he was in school from K through grade 3, report cards and all. Also, there is conflicting information on the Indonesian laws at the time. There seems to be conflicting information about this whole story.

Ok, there's conflicting info. Don't you think we should find out the truth?

 

[This_person]

He "took" his step father's last name? He has a kid. He didn't take any name. He just used the name everyone else in his house used. That doesn't mean he was adopted. Heck, I know someone who was adopted at age eight but he used his adoptive parent's name the whole time he was in school from K through grade 3, report cards and all. Also, there is conflicting information on the Indonesian laws at the time. There seems to be conflicting information about this whole story.

And, yet, the only person who could provide transparency to the whole issue chooses to vote "present" instead of being forthcoming.

Again, I thought this was the hokeyist, most tin-foil hat thing I had heard about him.......until I saw his reaction.

 

[awpitt]

Ok, there's conflicting info. Don't you think we should find out the truth?

Yes. And when someone produces the adoption papers as proof, then we'll know the truth. In this country, if I accuse you of something, the burden of proof is on me.

 

[This_person]

Yes. And when someone produces the adoption papers as proof, then we'll know the truth. In this country, if I accuse you of something, the burden of proof is on me.

So, several witnesses saying he was born in Kenya, documentation of Indonesian schooling which required Indonesian citizenship against...... nuh uh.



If I were on the jury, I know how I'd vote.

 

[Nonno]

'Nuff Said!

 

[mAlice]

'Nuff Said!

You should be listening to the news right now. Bend over.

 

[PsyOps]

He "took" his step father's last name? He has a kid. He didn't take any name. He just used the name everyone else in his house used. That doesn't mean he was adopted. Heck, I know someone who was adopted at age eight but he used his adoptive parent's name the whole time he was in school from K through grade 3, report cards and all. Also, there is conflicting information on the Indonesian laws at the time. There seems to be conflicting information about this whole story.

Let me get this straight... are we saying we don't know what BO's last name really is? I mean if he was born under one last name then assumed another sometime later how do you validate a BC? And wouldn't that mean the Certification of Birth he provided is wrong?

 

[PsyOps]

And why isn't this getting any media attention? I mean this is a pretty big story being that the USSC has taken it up.

 

[aps45819]

Let me get this straight... are we saying we don't know what BO's last name really is? I mean if he was born under one last name then assumed another sometime later how do you validate a BC? And wouldn't that mean the Certification of Birth he provided is wrong?

He hasn't provided one.
He's posted a photoshopped jpeg of a HI bc on his website.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Yes. And when someone produces the adoption papers as proof, then we'll know the truth. In this country, if I accuse you of something, the burden of proof is on me.

Not when it comes to being a natural born citizen. Proving the qualifications to be POTUS is on the person running for POTUS. If you are not at lest 35; can be POTUS. If you are not a natural born citizen; can't be POTUS. This is not ambiguous:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

 

[2ndAmendment]

'Nuff Said!

Not if he is not qualified.

As I saw posted elsewhere, "We still have the soap
box, the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box - I hope we can still use the first three to maintain our freedoms and that the fourth box doesn't get opened."

But if he is not qualified, the situation will probably be rectified by some means. Hopefully it is through a means that allows this nation to survive as a nation.

 

[PsyOps]

Not if he is not qualified.

As I saw posted elsewhere, "We still have the soap
box, the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box - I hope we can still use the first three to maintain our freedoms and that the fourth box doesn't get opened."

But if he is not qualified, the situation will probably be rectified by some means. Hopefully it is through a means that allows this nation to survive as a nation.

This is why I think the USSC will do nothing... out of fear of what lurks behind box #4.

 

[2ndAmendment]

This is why I think the USSC will do nothing... out of fear of what lurks behind box #4.

If the BC is not produced or BO is not a natural born citizen and the SCOTUS does nothing or rejects BO as POTUS; it is then that I fear that box #4 will be opened by one side or the other. Turbulent times are ahead if the BC is not produced and it better be totally valid and above any reproach.

 

[aps45819]

This is why I think the USSC will do nothing... out of fear of what lurks behind box #4.

That's exactly why they need to review the case.
It will be interesting to see if Soetoro's response is a bid for dismissal or just produce his BC.

Every member of congress and the supreme court has sworn to defend the constitution.

... so has every past and present member of the armed forces.

 

[PsyOps]

That's exactly why they need to review the case.
It will be interesting to see if Soetoro's response is a bid for dismissal or just produce his BC.

Every member of congress and the supreme court has sworn to defend the constitution.

... so has every past and present member of the armed forces.

There have been too many crazy decisions to come out or our courts for me to trust that this will be handled properly. As much as I would like for our members of the USSC to be Constitutional bots, they are human and are more likely to respond to this with a human/sensitivity frame of mind rather than a judicial one.

 

[2ndAmendment]

There have been too many crazy decisions to come out or our courts for me to trust that this will be handled properly. As much as I would like for our members of the USSC to be Constitutional bots, they are human and are more likely to respond to this with a human/sensitivity frame of mind rather than a judicial one.

And at that point a lot of Constitutional patriots may open box #4.

This is lose lose unless BO his BC and it is valid.

 

[The Oyster Guy]

Yea-haw!! The South is gonna rise agin!!!

 

[PsyOps]

And at that point a lot of Constitutional patriots may open box #4.

This is lose lose unless BO his BC and it is valid.

I don't see an uprising to a non-decision. I do, however, see an uprising if the court comes around to saying that BO's election is null and void.

 

[Bavarian]

There may be a quick Constitutional amendment rushed thru the State Legislatures to allow foreign born naturalized citizens to be elected President, thus clearing way for Arnold Schwazenegger, etc. It has happened before in the '70s, with amendments lowering voting age and reducing lenght of time one needs to be a residence at their address to vote. A federal law passed controlling Presidential Election, the amendments made the rules for all offices.

 

[PsyOps]

There may be a quick Constitutional amendment rushed thru the State Legislatures to allow foreign born naturalized citizens to be elected President, thus clearing way for Arnold Schwazenegger, etc. It has happened before in the '70s, with amendments lowering voting age and reducing lenght of time one needs to be a residence at their address to vote. A federal law passed controlling Presidential Election, the amendments made the rules for all offices.

ummmmmmmmmmmmm................. no.