More on that Birth Certificate thing...

[Lenny]

Again, when he got his passport. It would've been examined by employee(s) of the US State Dept. I'm quite certain they don't work for him.

Does he have a passport? Is it a Black one, Maroon one or a Blue one? Be careful how you answer, as your credibility is in the balance.

 

[aps45819]

Your passport was contingent on producing a birth certificate in the first place, right?

if it said he was born in Kenya, he'd still get a U.S. passport because his mother is a citizen.

That doesn't make him a natural born citizen

 

[Tilted]

But, by the amendment's words, If there is no answer on the president from the House of Representatives before this, the VP does not assume the duties of president until March 4th. Who's president between Jan 20 and Mar 4?

Just for clarification, the 20th amendment changed some of what was put in place by the 12th amendment.

Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

Section 3. ... If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; ...

In other words, IF Obama was found not to be eligible to the Presidency, Biden would become president on January 20th.

 

[Lenny]

Darek, Darek, Darek....

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

There/then.

The problem with FactCheck.org is that most don't know the difference between a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth from the state of Hawaii. The birth certificate certifies that a person was born at a place within the jurisdiction on a date and time with demographic information on the child and identification of people present.

A Certificate of Live birth (the document FactCheck calls a birth certificate) is a form prepared by the state of Hawaii when a person cannot produce a birth certificate. It states whatever information the person requesting the document says is the date and time of birth and the place of birth. There is no requirement to produce proof that the information is factual.

In fact, the Certificate of Live birth produced by the Obama campaign staff is a forgery (as determined by three certified forensic experts) based on a Certificate of Live birth originally issued to Obama's half-sister who was never born in the United States, but in Indonesia.

It has been proven that the "birth certificate" the Obama campaign produced is not a birth certificate, it is not B Hussain Obama's birth certificate and it based on a fraudulently produced document for the hybrid's hybrid half-sister.

 

[Lenny]

if it said he was born in Kenya, he'd still get a U.S. passport because his mother is a citizen.

Not so. He is an adult and must qualify for a passport based on his own status. The color of the passport question is critical. It will determine how he obtained a passport and what artifacts were required.

 

[The Oyster Guy]

In other words, IF Obama was found not to be eligible to the Presidency, Biden would become president on January 20th.

Hmmm... Biden.

Biden *claims* he was born in Scranton, but how do we really *know* he was born in Scranton ??? I'm telling you, I've got a feeling about this!

 

[Lenny]

Hmmm... Biden.

Biden *claims* he was born in Scranton, but how do we really *know* he was born in Scranton ??? I'm telling you, I've got a feeling about this!

And, since he cannot remember easily known facts about Scranton, the FBI should do a full background check on Joseph Biden as well. He doesn't even know that Rita's has been gone for over 20 years.

 

[awpitt]

They claim he traveled at age 21 under an Indonesian Passport. If he didn't and he used his US PPort, would it not be on record and stamped for that travel??

No. Because a passport expires after 10 years so the new passport wouldn't have the old VISA stamps on it.

 

[awpitt]

Obama's sister has a US passport and she was born in Indonesia, we don't know what his birth certificate says as far as place of Birth, his mother could have registered his birth here and gotten duel citizenship even though the US will only recognize his US citizenship. He could have shown a naturalized US Birth certificate for his passport and would have been issued a US Passport. To my knowledge, just like the DMV, the state department reviews your original documents then mails it back to you, they don't maintain the copies!!!

The US passport displays both date and place of birth.

Origianl documents do get lost. In my case, my Mom lost my original BC at the time I got my driver's lic. So now, all I can do is send in my $10 to get copies when I need them. BTW, the copies I get look exactly like the one HI issued for Obama. It's a computer print out just like the "photoshoped" one everyone is crying about.

 

[awpitt]

But, by the amendment's words, If there is no answer on the president from the House of Representatives before this, the VP does not assume the duties of president until March 4th. Who's president between Jan 20 and Mar 4?

Keep in mind, you referenced the 12th Amendment. Inauguration Day was still on March 4th when the 12th Amendment was written. Since then, Inauguration Day was changed to Jan 20th which means the incoming VP would become POTUS.

 

[The Oyster Guy]

The problem with FactCheck.org is that most don't know the difference between a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth from the state of Hawaii. The birth certificate certifies that a person was born at a place within the jurisdiction on a date and time with demographic information on the child and identification of people present.

A Certificate of Live birth (the document FactCheck calls a birth certificate) is a form prepared by the state of Hawaii when a person cannot produce a birth certificate. It states whatever information the person requesting the document says is the date and time of birth and the place of birth. There is no requirement to produce proof that the information is factual.

In fact, the Certificate of Live birth produced by the Obama campaign staff is a forgery (as determined by three certified forensic experts) based on a Certificate of Live birth originally issued to Obama's half-sister who was never born in the United States, but in Indonesia.

It has been proven that the "birth certificate" the Obama campaign produced is not a birth certificate, it is not B Hussain Obama's birth certificate and it based on a fraudulently produced document for the hybrid's hybrid half-sister.

You're so ridiculously full of sh!t I can smell you from here...

My own "birth certificate" reads Certificate of Live Birth - there's no distinction. Any/every birth certificate is an simply a certified record, produced by the state, of information recorded by the state at the time of birth.

And you're truly an idiot if you actually believe that anyone can demand that the State of Hawaii (or any other state) print them a birth certificate based on information the individual presents. Any/all certificates are based on data recorded by the state at the time of birth, and only by the state.

And where is this Hawaiian BC for Obama's sister you're yapping about??? I'll bet you $100 you can't produce it... (There *isn't* a Hawaii BC for Obama's sister, because she *wasn't* born there!)

 

[Lenny]

The US passport displays both date and place of birth.

Origianl documents do get lost. In my case, my Mom lost my original BC at the time I got my driver's lic. So now, all I can do is send in my $10 to get copies when I need them. BTW, the copies I get look exactly like the one HI issued for Obama. It's a computer print out just like the "photoshoped" one everyone is crying about.

So, still cannot tell me if Obama's passport was obtained without a birth certificate yet? What color is his passport? Your credibilty is slipping out of the balance.

 

[The Oyster Guy]

So, still cannot tell me if Obama's passport was obtained without a birth certificate yet? What color is his passport? Your credibilty is slipping out of the balance.

What color is the sky in your world? Lemme guess... green?

 

[Lenny]

What color is the sky in your world? Lemme guess... green?

Let's give bottom-feeders a clue. What color passport would the United States government issue someone who is not a natural-born citizen? Clock's running.

 

[Lenny]

(There *isn't* a Hawaii BC for Obama's sister, because she *wasn't* born there!)

That's what I said, previously. So in this case you aren't responding to the voices in your head.

 

[The Oyster Guy]

And there *is* a Hawaii BC for Obama, because he *was* born there!

 

[The Oyster Guy]

Let's give bottom-feeders a clue. What color passport would the United States government issue someone who is not a natural-born citizen? Clock's running.

Stop believing all the crap you read on internet blogs, Lenny... There's NO special color for a passport jacket assigned to naturalized citizens.

 

[Lenny]

You have finally solved the problem...

And there *is* a Hawaii BC for Obama, because he *was* born there!

...then he should be able to produce it.

 

[awpitt]

So, still cannot tell me if Obama's passport was obtained without a birth certificate yet?

You'd have to ask the State Dept that question.

What color is his passport?

Haven't seen it.

Your credibilty is slipping out of the balance.

My credibility is fine.

 

[Lenny]

Stop believing all the crap you read on internet blogs, Lenny... There's NO special color for a passport jacket assigned to naturalized citizens.

Then you lefties should stop equating the fact he has a passport with the myth he is a natural-born citizen. We once again come back to the initial question, "Why won't he produce his birth certificate?"

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