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RoseRed

American Beauty
PREMO Member
It was never a Whole Foods. It was another grocery store, but for the moment, my memory fails me. And before a grocery store, it was a junk department store (again, my memory fails me). But there was another grocery store in that shopping center, in the space currently occupied by the gym.

I think it was also a Jamesway.
 

OldHillcrestGuy

Well-Known Member
Whats the difference going to be with traffic build the new Walmart, in Charles at the county line. Bring a few more jobs to Charles County and more tax money. Walmarts a huge company you thing not letting them build in Waldorf will stop them. Pause for awhile and look at the old horse farm on just the other side of Mattawomen creek in PG or even the Curtis Farm on the right side of 301 across from the horse farm or even the land up behind Winegarders Im sure Walmart could make an offer on any of those pieces of land that someone wont be able to refuse. Then we will still have all the traffic when we try to get through Brandywine to Waldorf.
 
Whats the difference going to be with traffic build the new Walmart, in Charles at the county line. Bring a few more jobs to Charles County and more tax money. Walmarts a huge company you thing not letting them build in Waldorf will stop them. Pause for awhile and look at the old horse farm on just the other side of Mattawomen creek in PG or even the Curtis Farm on the right side of 301 across from the horse farm or even the land up behind Winegarders Im sure Walmart could make an offer on any of those pieces of land that someone wont be able to refuse. Then we will still have all the traffic when we try to get through Brandywine to Waldorf.

I thought the WalMart was going on the property where the Chaney football field is? Thought that was a done deal?
 

BigBlue

New Member
I thought the WalMart was going on the property where the Chaney football field is? Thought that was a done deal?
No ,some how they are looking across the street .They aren't getting much resistance from anyone because anything will be better than the Wal-mart in Waldorf now ,it is the dirtiest store I have ever seen .
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
It was never a Whole Foods. It was another grocery store, but for the moment, my memory fails me. And before a grocery store, it was a junk department store (again, my memory fails me). But there was another grocery store in that shopping center, in the space currently occupied by the gym.

Super Fresh

Then the whole chain left the area.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
I think it was also a Jamesway.

nope.. well maybe in another century. That space was completely overhauled and rebuilt as a Super Fresh after Harvest Market (now the gym and Mission BBQ) closed.
Whatever had been there was gutted and expanded for the Super Fresh.
 

PeoplesElbow

Well-Known Member
Superfresh had the best self checkouts that I have ever used, its been almost 15 years since they closed and nobody still have better self checkouts.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
If you notice on the map, Brandywine Crossing is built in a low density population area and it's pretty successful. As for FIOs being a gauge of anything, all I can say is "eh?" I've never viewed Verizon products as any kind of indicator of wealth. A side bar, I live in St. Mary's and have X-finity. I think home prices are a better indicator. Attached below is a heat map that shows SOMD doing fairly well, probably above average for the nation. As for St. Mary's being a poor county, I sense some confirmation bias on your part. The lense you view your world through skews what you see to conform with your preconceived notion, despite the facts. What are the facts? According to the 2010 census, Maryland is the richest state in the country. Out of the 24 counties, St. Mary's is the 9th richest with a 2010 median household income of 69k + As for Title 1 kids, having grown up eating more than my fair share of government cheese, I can say those programs are pretty poorly policed. For the record, I'm not for stricter enforcement. I'd rather feed a kid that needs it over playing a stupid game of "gotcha" with 1 that didn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_locations_by_per_capita_income
http://planning.maryland.gov/msdc/population_density/popdensity_2010ct3.pdf
http://www.trulia.com/home_prices/Maryland/Charles_County-heat_map/

Obviously you live in Charlotte Hall, that little slice of SMC attached to COMCAST and Chuck County. The rest of SMC gets Metrocast which is just a reincarnation of Western Shore ad nauseam.
As for income, you are the one who is blind in one eye and can't see out of the other. There is a significant number of people in SMC living on or below the poverty line. What drives the "average" earnings up are those employed on base - and that is now dropping.
 

kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
nope.. well maybe in another century. That space was completely overhauled and rebuilt as a Super Fresh after Harvest Market (now the gym and Mission BBQ) closed.
Whatever had been there was gutted and expanded for the Super Fresh.

The current SFW was the Jamesway department store when San Souci was first built.
 

fatratcat

Member
You wouldn't happen to have any empirical evidence to support your opinion? Please advance the discussion beyond anectdotal "I think so's..." The facts in evidence sitting starkly in opposition to your view.

Obviously you live in Charlotte Hall, that little slice of SMC attached to COMCAST and Chuck County. The rest of SMC gets Metrocast which is just a reincarnation of Western Shore ad nauseam.
As for income, you are the one who is blind in one eye and can't see out of the other. There is a significant number of people in SMC living on or below the poverty line. What drives the "average" earnings up are those employed on base - and that is now dropping.
 

merc669

New Member
The current SFW was the Jamesway department store when San Souci was first built.

Sure was with the Grocery Store on the opposite corner. Also I believe it was called Bullucks Music Store sold pianos in the corner towards what is now the Gym.
 

fatratcat

Member
Yes I do. Now, if we can only get a sewer to support our flush toilets, sit down restaurants, and a decent grocery store, I'll stop bi@#$chen! How did we (CH) get public water and the best cable, but get rooked on flush toilets and the implements of good nutrition? I'm just saying something went terribly wrong in the gene pool in the past 20 years. Seems like an area of progressive folks slid backwards. I know this stands in opposition to the view the area has "always been ass backwards" and "why would you move to an area and expect to change things." 23 years ago, people didn't seem so scared of change. Now, in my third decade in the area, I've watched the progressive folks (those that believed in a new library, public water, and better utilities like cable) slowly replaced by fearful people terrified of change. Don't even get me started on the inbred that didn't want a college campus. I know higher education is a direct threat to fearful people. Dark always has good reason to fear the light, because sun shine is the best disinefectant. People that fear traffic, but put in a commuter parking lot and keep the flea market. People that fear the density of housing a public sewer brings while their property values plummet and foreclosures abound. I gotta say it one more time, people that think a school, yes, a place of learning and community gathering, is a bad thing.


Obviously you live in Charlotte Hall, that little slice of SMC attached to COMCAST and Chuck County. The rest of SMC gets Metrocast which is just a reincarnation of Western Shore ad nauseam.
As for income, you are the one who is blind in one eye and can't see out of the other. There is a significant number of people in SMC living on or below the poverty line. What drives the "average" earnings up are those employed on base - and that is now dropping.
 
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Beta

Smile!
No ,some how they are looking across the street .They aren't getting much resistance from anyone because anything will be better than the Wal-mart in Waldorf now ,it is the dirtiest store I have ever seen .

So a new Wal-mart with the same employees and customers is going to be better, how? Give it a few years and it'll be back to a piece of #### if the only thing they're going to do is build a new one.
 

Stew

New Member
I thought the WalMart was going on the property where the Chaney football field is? Thought that was a done deal?

First shots fired in Waldorf Wal-Mart supercenter proposal battle
Board of Appeals holds hearing on plan

The fight over a special exception request to build a Wal-Mart supercenter at Mattawoman Drive and U.S. 301 in Waldorf heated up Tuesday, with the applicant, Waldorf Restaurant Inc., presenting its plan at a public hearing.

Kirby Blass, a planner with Charles County Department of Planning & Growth Management, said the proposal is to build a one-story, 184,015-square-foot building with 8,452 square feet of open-air garden space on the west side of U.S. 301 south of Mattawoman Drive. Retail space that is more than 100,000 square feet requires a special exception permit in Charles County.

The site is zoned for transit-oriented development, Blass said, and on 20 acres that would be part of a developed 143-acre project called Waldorf Station. If approved, the supercenter would replace the current Wal-Mart on Acton Lane, 1 mile south of the proposed site.

In a telephone interview Thursday, Jim Long, president of Mattawoman Watershed Society, said his organization is opposed to a large retail store that would force the extension of Western Parkway through a resource protection zone, and damage Mattawoman Creek. The original plan for Western Parkway in 2004, Long said, did not put the road through an RPZ.

“Our concerns are more with the protection of Mattawoman Creek,” Long said. The group is looking at the situation as a whole, and the RPZ will be violated if the current plan is approved, he said.
Meredith Sweet has lived in Waldorf for 15 years. She said she works from home, but her husband commutes to work in Northern Virginia, and she said he believes that when Brandywine Crossing opened just north of the proposed site for the new Wal-Mart, his commute was increased by 10 minutes.

“This is, in my mind, a great example of the wrong development in the wrong place,” said Sweet, who lives in White Oak Village off of Route 5. She added that Waldorf Station is supposed to be the county’s gateway project, but, to her, Wal-Mart does not belong in the county’s gateway.

Traffic is a huge concern for Sweet, who said many Waldorf residents commute out of Charles County, and any more lights or traffic on U.S. 301 will only mean more congestion, which is another reason why the Wal-Mart is proposed in the wrong place, she said.

“And then there’s the environmental problem,” Sweet said. “[The proposed Wal-Mart] is too close to Mattawoman Creek.”
 
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