NRA issues condolences

[This_person]

...so, while we're at it, any other fat we oughta trim out of the constitution besides a presumption of innocence?

I'll wait.

??????????
I was saying we GET the guns, not they're taken.....

 

[Larry Gude]

I have this mental...

Hey, would you rather try and stop a pipe bomber, or someone with 19 rounds in his 9mm glock?

It's a common sense answer.

...picture of a madman with a pipe bomb bursting into a classroom full of students, threatening mayhem, displaying the bomb and then you leap to your feet, rip open your back back and yell 'How now, brown cow?' displaying a pipe bomb of your own and threatening the bomber to put it down, or else, when you suddenly realize you don't have a match and you turn to ask around when, just as suddenly, Indiana Jones jumps up and shoots the bomber right between the eyes and then you, all outraged, yell "Hey! You can't do that!" as you fumble with some soggy matches...

 

[Larry Gude]

How about...

We need a background check on every firearms purchase, and stop selling firearms to non citizens.

...bomb components?

 

[Larry Gude]

Not until...

The same people who don't object to the government holding U.S. citizens for years upon years without charging them with a crime, think its ok for Uncle Sam to spy on Americans without legal justification, get all bent out of shape when the government restricts firearms sales.

Ever notice that?

...just recently.

 

[Larry Gude]

I can't find...

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I was saying we GET the guns, not they're taken.....

..the post I referenced. Sorry if I misunderstood.

 

[Ken King]

After 9/11 the nation developed a program to arm airline pilots to handle hijack scenarios, why couldn't teachers and administration staff at our schools be employed in similar fashion so that they could be ready responders/interveners to situations such as what has happened at many of our schools lately?

 

[Larry Gude]

Because...

After 9/11 the nation developed a program to arm airline pilots to handle hijack scenarios, why couldn't teachers and administration staff at our schools be employed in similar fashion so that they could be ready responders/interveners to situations such as what has happened at many of our schools lately?

..any rational teacher will start shooting kids until they regain control of their classrooms.

Can't have that.

 

[Larry Gude]

Why not?

I bet the NRA is waiting for the right moment to use this VT Massacre to advocate its own agenda. They have done it before. Click Here

I am all for guns, but in a classroom…

Why not anywhere where people are vulnerable? Isn't that common sense?

 

[Ken King]

..any rational teacher will start shooting kids until they regain control of their classrooms.

Can't have that.

I see you have your JPC hat on today.

 

[Larry Gude]

And my...

I see you have your JPC hat on today.

...Power Ranger Underoo's too!

 

[Ken King]

...Power Ranger Underoo's too!

Stealing off of Pete's laundry line again I see.

 

[aps45819]

After 9/11 the nation developed a program to arm airline pilots to handle hijack scenarios, why couldn't teachers and administration staff at our schools be employed in similar fashion so that they could be ready responders/interveners to situations such as what has happened at many of our schools lately?

They wouldn't do it. They've had the common sense educated out of them

 

[Ken King]

They wouldn't do it. They've had the common sense educated out of them

Why not? There have to be a few teachers out there (like the professor that tried to block the door) that now can see that they might actually need to be a little proactive towards their protection and that of their students.

 

[aps45819]

Why not? There have to be a few teachers out there (like the professor that tried to block the door) that now can see that they might actually need to be a little proactive towards their protection and that of their students.

Blocking the door with the gunman right there is reality.
Believing that someone might invade the ivy covered halls and slaughter innocent students is incomprehensible to the folks in the tweed jackets with the leather elbow patches. They don't live in the real world and believe that the police and "competent" authorities will protect them from harm.

 

[vraiblonde]

Blocking the door with the gunman right there is reality.
Believing that someone might invade the ivy covered halls and slaughter innocent students is incomprehensible to the folks in the tweed jackets with the leather elbow patches. They don't live in the real world and believe that the police and "competent" authorities will protect them from harm.

Not only that, but there's no real way to protect yourself against someone who is on a suicide mission.

 

[Ken King]

Blocking the door with the gunman right there is reality.
Believing that someone might invade the ivy covered halls and slaughter innocent students is incomprehensible to the folks in the tweed jackets with the leather elbow patches. They don't live in the real world and believe that the police and "competent" authorities will protect them from harm.

Maybe they should read the papers or watch the news. We have one or two events like this a year, or so it seems.

 

[itsbob]

...bomb components?

You mean like fertilizer and diesel??

 

[FromTexas]

We need a background check on every firearms purchase, and stop selling firearms to non citizens.

As a legal permanent U.S. resident, Cho had the same rights as a citizen for the purposes of buying and possessing firearms.

So, you would be saying people who have lived here legally, many for decades, are second class citizens?

The background check wouldn't have helped in this case. In fact, it really wouldn't have helped in most violent crimes involving guns. People ("the quiet ones") who flip out like this suddenly don't typically have histories.

But I am glad you have started to identify that you feel certain people are second class citizens despite being here legally, working, paying taxes, going to school, and being a member of society in all other ways.

 

[itsbob]

I bet the NRA is waiting for the right moment to use this VT Massacre to advocate its own agenda. They have done it before. Click Here

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So you suggest the NRA sit quietly by why the anti-gunners get to take more of our rights? Or are you suggesting the anti gunners are being quiet in their respect for the tragedy, even though they are partly to blame for it?


I'd like to see some research, see if ANYone in either building had a CCW permit, but couldn't becasue of the state law.

 

[aps45819]

Maybe they should read the papers or watch the news. We have one or two events like this a year, or so it seems.

Interesting links in NS's post in the VT thread. A VERY small percentage of the news stories mentiond that the students that stopped this shooting were armed.

Look up Shooting Appalacian Law School 2002, and then let us know.

2 students (off duty police) Bridges and Gross, went to their vehicles and retrieved their firearms (because they were prevented from carrying them on campus) and helped subdue a gunmen after he opened fire, killing 3 and wounding others.
If it wasnt for them it could have very well have turned out as a similiar incident.

Read here for a take on how the media portrayed the outcome differently than it actually happened (lack of reporting about the students retrieving their firearms).