NRA issues condolences

[This_person]

Scenario #1 you're sitting in a classroom and a pipe bomb is thrown in. You take two seconds to pull the fuse out or toss it out the window.

Scenario #2 you're sitting in a class room when someone starts shooting people from the doorway. Not much you can do here to stop the bullets other than make a suicidal charge at the shooter.

Which scenario would you rather be in?

Am I armed? Because, if I am, I'd be in Scenerio #2 much easier than #1. I can't stop a bomb, but I'm a pretty good shot, even under fire.

 

[itsbob]

maybe you ought to talk to the police if you are being threatened.

Being threatened is no justification in itself to have the right to carry a fire-arm.

I think I said this before, but if your assailant thinks you have a gun they will draw first when your back is turned, and not expecting anything.

A well armed society is a nervous paranoid society.

You saying if I'm threatened I can call the police and they will hang out with me from today forever more to ensure my safety??

Even California, the most gun grabbing state of all, allows women who are victims of abuse that have been threatened to carry a concealed weapon WITHOUT a waiting periond. Even the crazies in California recognize the fact they can not protect women in that situation.

 

[vraiblonde]

The Israelis are armed because their attackers are armed.

Forestal, our attackers are armed as well. Duh.

Your supposition that if guns were banned, that pipe bombers would suddenly kill as many people as guns would is wholly outrageous

If guns were banned, people who are going to break the law and kill someone would just figure, eh, what's one more law broken? and get the gun anyway.

There has never EVER in the history of the world been a banned product or substance that criminals couldn't get their hands on. They're already not real shy about breaking the law - what makes you think they'll obey gun laws?

I do not understand your line of "reasoning".

 

[vraiblonde]

maybe you ought to talk to the police if you are being threatened.

Police can't do anything about threats. They can only do something about actions - and then it's too late.

How many stories do you need to hear about women who have a restraining order against their abusive ex beau or spouse, only to have the guy ignore the order and come kill them? Then he turns the gun on himself and yeah, the guy is dead, but that doesn't really help the woman or any children that are involved, does it?

 

[vraiblonde]

Scenario #1 you're sitting in a classroom and a pipe bomb is thrown in. You take two seconds to pull the fuse out or toss it out the window.

Are you for real? It would take you two seconds to even register that a bomb had been thrown.

 

[aps45819]

Scenario #1 you're sitting in a classroom and a pipe bomb is thrown in. You take two seconds to pull the fuse out or toss it out the window.

You take 3 seconds to wonder what was thrown in the room, one second to realize it's a bomb with 1/4 inch of fuse left and your lesat second to say "Oh Sh!t"

Scenario #2 you're sitting in a class room when someone starts shooting people from the doorway. Not much you can do here to stop the bullets other than make a suicidal charge at the shooter.

Hit the deck and draw your weapon, even shooting from a conceled position without careful aim from behind a desk causes the gunman to withdraw from the room.

Which scenario would you rather be in?

I'll take No.2

 

[Toxick]

Scenario #1 you're sitting in a classroom and a pipe bomb is thrown in. You take two seconds to pull the fuse out or toss it out the window.

You make it sound easier than falling off a log.

Scenario #2 you're sitting in a class room when someone starts shooting people from the doorway. Not much you can do here to stop the bullets other than make a suicidal charge at the shooter.

And you make this sound like once the shadowy visage of the gunman appears at the door it's already too late.

Which scenario would you rather be in?

You're issuing a false dichotomy.


Are you aware the fuse-time may vary from bomb to bomb. A bomber may use a very short fuse and wait until a half-second is left before tossing it at you. So you have about 1 second to:

See the device.
Identify the device.
Realize the danger of the device.
Get from your seat across the room to the bomb.
Find the fuse.
Yank it, snuff it, or ditch it.

In all likelihood your brains will be scattered in with your textbook pages before you start moving from your seat.


On the other hand, in a world without ... well, without people like you ... you would have about 1 second to:

See the gunman at the door.
Realize this person is armed.
Recognize the threat.
Knock your desk over for cover.
Reach toward your own weapon.
Smoke his ass.



NOW ask me which situation I'd rather be in.



Hint: Cover will stop bullets. Guess what it won't do in the other situation.

 

[Pete]

Pipe bomb could quickly be defused, or thrown out the window.

Not a whole lot you could do when someone is pointing a gun straight at you.

This is laughable. You are assuming the pipe bomb lands in your hands, fuse up. You suppose you are going to have enough time when the thing is rolling around the floor in a large room with 60 pairs of feet kicking it around to think "damn a pipe bombe" locate it, grab it and pull out the burning fuse?

Eh McGuyver? You need a stick of Polly-O string cheese and even that will take you more than 10 seconds to open..

 

[FromTexas]

Simple question:

What would you change about gun purchase laws that would have prevented him from buying one?

1) He was legal
2) He had no felonies
3) He appeared normal during purchase (per description of gun store owner, "clean cut college kid")
4) He had no outstanding warrants or criminal history
5) It was a normal hand gun for self defense... not an assault weapon.

So... What additional checks would you have instituted that would have prevented this?

 

[slaphappynmd]

Wow, you're a racist too..

95% of the damn forum members are racist, whats your point, RACIST!

 

[Larry Gude]

"Hello..."

maybe you ought to talk to the police if you are being threatened.

Being threatened is no justification in itself to have the right to carry a fire-arm.

I think I said this before, but if your assailant thinks you have a gun they will draw first when your back is turned, and not expecting anything.

A well armed society is a nervous paranoid society.

...police? Yeah, it's me again. Listen, I'm being...oh, fine, and you? Uh huh...and your mom? That's great. Listen, if I could have a moment of your time...oh...OK, I'll wait...please hurry...


...

...

...


...OK, so, anyway, they really meant it and calling them poopy pants didn't work, but they're gone now. Could I trouble you to send an ambulance and tell my folks I love them and tell my mom I'm sorry about what I said about the Santana CD at Christmas? I actually grew to like it. Thanks...you to. Bye bye, now and forever."


Or...


"Hello, police? Yes, it's me again. Uh huh, just fine. And yours? Listen they came back again and...oh? OK, I'll wait. Take your time...


...


...


...

ALl better? OK, great. So, anyway, they came back. Uh huh. Yep, again and, oh, do you need to get that? No hurry.

...


...

All set? Ok, so, when you get a minute, could you send the coroner over?"


Well.

 

[Larry Gude]

Guns Are Banned...

The Israelis are armed because their attackers are armed. So everybody had a gun and their society is much less safe than ours.

Your supposition that if guns were banned, that pipe bombers would suddenly kill as many people as guns would is wholly outrageous.

...but only for the good guys.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ok...

As much as I hate to admit it, for me personally, this is a fair and equitable compromise. Federal law allowing each and every citizen who passes a background check to carry a concealed weapon at any time, any place. No more limits by schools, no more limits anywhere that the police are not limited (with the possible exception of a courtroom). The one and only real limit would be passing a background check that would include, basically:
Are you sane?
Have you been convicted of a crime?

Here's your card, allowing you to buy, keep, use, etc. any type of gun. No more registering, etc. We could go back to having gun teams in schools, teaching kids proper gun safety. Forest, you've made a great point.

...so, while we're at it, any other fat we oughta trim out of the constitution besides a presumption of innocence?

I'll wait.

 

[FromTexas]

...so, while we're at it, any other fat we oughta trim out of the constitution besides a presumption of innocence?

I'll wait.

Come on, Larry. I think you are being absurd. If we just ask everyone to turn in their guns, the bad guys will comply. Don't you know criminals follow the law, too?

 

[Larry Gude]

Bs...

Pipe bomb could quickly be defused, or thrown out the window.

Not a whole lot you could do when someone is pointing a gun straight at you.

...you WILL fight or flight or freeze. That's enough to do while you're body is dumping adrenaline into your system like a bucket.

Now, if you practice, you could try this;

"This town ain't big enough for the two of us, pardner..."

He may start laughing and let you live. Then, when he turns his back you could do what pigs do and give him a pork chop.

 

[Larry Gude]

Y'ah ever...

Come on, Larry. I think you are being absurd. If we just ask everyone to turn in their guns, the bad guys will comply. Don't you know criminals follow the law, too?

...notice how every time a city does an illegal gun amnesty and the TV crews cover it there's always the other half of a .410 shot gun in the mix that wasn't turned in last time along with a few flint locks, flare gun, a bent tire iron and some prop left over from a Lawrence of Arabia play?

It always makes me feel worse knowing what someone was thinking of killing people with because they couldn't afford a decent handgun.

 

[vraiblonde]

pork chop.

And THAT, my friends, is why you should never teach your pig karate.

 

[Larry Gude]

Yep...

And THAT, my friends, is why you should never teach your pig karate.

..much safer to take him out and get him sauced...

 

[Larry Gude]

To give credit...

...where it is due, I got the pork chop joke from Vrail a long time ago.

:

 

[czygvtwkr]

Forestal, our attackers are armed as well. Duh.


If guns were banned, people who are going to break the law and kill someone would just figure, eh, what's one more law broken? and get the gun anyway.

There has never EVER in the history of the world been a banned product or substance that criminals couldn't get their hands on. They're already not real shy about breaking the law - what makes you think they'll obey gun laws?

I do not understand your line of "reasoning".

The same people that claim drugs being illegal is wrong because people will get them and use them anyway sure dont seem to think that about guns, ever notice that?