ok all you cop aplogists explain this ....

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
NEWSFLASH:

You do not have the "right" to break the law, provoke the cops, impede a law enforcement situation, or resist arrest. So I'd love to know just what "rights" of yours are being taken away by law enforcement. Care to share with the class which one of the above behaviors you engage in?

And I'll tell you something else: you think the cops are bad, go ahead and hamstring them until citizens are forced to take the law into their own hands. Cause if you think cops are brutal, you just let me lay some justice on your (figurative*) ass and you'll be BEGGING for the cops.


*Meaning, not you personally.

Let's take these one at a time

Right to break the law- This is true, but it applies to both sides of the badge. The discussion started with the people on the law side of it.

Rght to provoke the cops- Up to a certain point this is false, but they do get off duty sometime.

Right to impede a law enforcement situation- How is filming an event impeding a law enforcement situation? In many of these situation they just don't want a record of their actions.

Right to resist arrest- If I'm being arrested for upholding my rights I will resist to the best of my abilities. Anyone who doesn't, doesn't deserve those rights in the first place.
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Yeah, because ATF guys are wildcard free agents who take the law into their own hands, have no oversight, and just run amok busting anyone they want.

:rolleyes:

Keep going - I'm starting to become entertained.

I have posted several cases on here over the last few years where the ATF have made gross abuses of the constitution, it isn't my fault you choose to ignore it.
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Let's take these one at a time

Right to break the law- This is true, but it applies to both sides of the badge. The discussion started with the people on the law side of it.

Rght to provoke the cops- Up to a certain point this is false, but they do get off duty sometime.

Right to impede a law enforcement situation- How is filming an event impeding a law enforcement situation? In many of these situation they just don't want a record of their actions.

Right to resist arrest- If I'm being arrested for upholding my rights I will resist to the best of my abilities. Anyone who doesn't, doesn't deserve those rights in the first place.

If it was up to Vrai we'd still have the Red Coats running around.

Claims to be a Republican but talks like a democrat on these issues. "Give police unchecked power, don't question anything"
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
I'd have to find a statistic, but I'd bet money that crime has risen in direct proportion to restrictions placed on law enforcement.

Maybe you just like crime and dip####s who don't know how to act in public. :shrug:

Right, the greater good argument:rolleyes:
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Let's take these one at a time

Right to break the law- This is true, but it applies to both sides of the badge. The discussion started with the people on the law side of it.
You will never hear me say that a cop has the right to break the law

Rght to provoke the cops- Up to a certain point this is false, but they do get off duty sometime.
I do not feel someone should have the right to provoke *me*, let alone a cop. You're barking up the wrong tree here.

Right to impede a law enforcement situation- How is filming an event impeding a law enforcement situation? In many of these situation they just don't want a record of their actions.
How would you like to be handling some violent crackhead with a cameraman hovering around, getting in your way?

Right to resist arrest- If I'm being arrested for upholding my rights I will resist to the best of my abilities. Anyone who doesn't, doesn't deserve those rights in the first place.
You will never be arrested for upholding your rights, and I would love for you to show me, in the videos posted, where someone was arrested because they were upholding their rights.

Why don't you just admit that you're an anarchist and be done with it?
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Claims to be a Republican but talks like a democrat on these issues. "Give police unchecked power, don't question anything"

Okay, that was dumb and the Republicans who read that are laughing their asses off at you. Democrats are the ones who want to hamstring our cops, not Republicans.
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Okay, that was dumb and the Republicans who read that are laughing their asses off at you. Democrats are the ones who want to hamstring our cops, not Republicans.


I don't want to hamstring our cops I want them to follow the constituion, seems to me that the dems are the ones are the best at breaking that to me.
 
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doubt_me

Guest
comment in regards to the first video-

stiff as a board, light as a feather.

lol
 

sommpd

New Member
It's not cop haters, it's the small number of cops on the forums that can look at the same video as the rest of us and not understand why we think their behavior is crossing the line. You all seem to come to rallying around a fellow officer even when he is so clearly in the wrong that if it had been anyone else they would have been locked up. You justify this as one of the perks of the job, and call anyone who disagrees with you a coward for not being a cop along with you.

You must have me confused with some whole other body! I never justify a police officer's misconduct. If a cop does something wrong, I say he or she should be given equal punishment under the law. I treat police officers breaking the law the same exact way I would treat a non police officer who is breaking the law.

Now, I don't look at a video and blindly say the cop is wrong because other people see it that way. I know what we are allowed to do and I know what the use of force continum dictates. I also know that other people draw conclusions based on a lack of training and experience.

The cop who forced the woman on the ground should be punished because he lied! He should not be a police officer any longer if he is going to lie.

The second video where the police officers put the guy in the car, I don't see what was wrong with that at all? They didn't strike him, they didn't abuse him, they carried him to a police car.

The third video where the officer was striking the man on the ground. I see this as a problem. If the man was giving up, then the officer is wrong. however, if the man was acting aggressive (we don't know what he was saying because there is no audio) then she may have been attempting to subdue him.

Now, you read my post and responded, but it is funny to me that you left out your occupation?
 

sommpd

New Member
I don't want to hamstring our cops I want them to follow the constituion, seems to me that the dems are the ones are the best at breaking that to me.

Give me an example where Southern Maryland Police are not abiding by the constitution without some sort of consequences? I doubt you can!
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
Let's take these one at a time

Right to break the law- This is true, but it applies to both sides of the badge. The discussion started with the people on the law side of it.
You will never hear me say that a cop has the right to break the law

Remember the kid who was parked in the commuter lot when the cop came up and started to make up charges
http://forums.somd.com/news-current-events/112100-bad-cop-video-lets-see-some-you-defend-one.html
you said
I'd have given the little smartass a wood shampoo.
I have no problem teaching punks respect, since their Mommies and Daddies couldn't seem to do it.
City council and Chief of Police said "YOUR FIRED" so apparently you are fine with a cop breaking the law


Rght to provoke the cops- Up to a certain point this is false, but they do get off duty sometime.
I do not feel someone should have the right to provoke *me*, let alone a cop. You're barking up the wrong tree here.

First Amendment trumps your opinion

Right to impede a law enforcement situation- How is filming an event impeding a law enforcement situation? In many of these situation they just don't want a record of their actions.
How would you like to be handling some violent crackhead with a cameraman hovering around, getting in your way?

You saw the video he wasn't getting in the way, you're grasping on that one.


Right to resist arrest- If I'm being arrested for upholding my rights I will resist to the best of my abilities. Anyone who doesn't, doesn't deserve those rights in the first place.
You will never be arrested for upholding your rights, and I would love for you to show me, in the videos posted, where someone was arrested because they were upholding their rights.

I'm sure that somewhere we can find a right against being body slammed into a concrete floor while four other cops stand around watching
Why don't you just admit that you're an anarchist and be done with it?
If thats how you want to label standing your ground, then so be it. Your label is now police state toady
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
You must have me confused with some whole other body! I never justify a police officer's misconduct. If a cop does something wrong, I say he or she should be given equal punishment under the law. I treat police officers breaking the law the same exact way I would treat a non police officer who is breaking the law.

Now, I don't look at a video and blindly say the cop is wrong because other people see it that way. I know what we are allowed to do and I know what the use of force continum dictates. I also know that other people draw conclusions based on a lack of training and experience.

The cop who forced the woman on the ground should be punished because he lied! He should not be a police officer any longer if he is going to lie.

The second video where the police officers put the guy in the car, I don't see what was wrong with that at all? They didn't strike him, they didn't abuse him, they carried him to a police car.

The third video where the officer was striking the man on the ground. I see this as a problem. If the man was giving up, then the officer is wrong. however, if the man was acting aggressive (we don't know what he was saying because there is no audio) then she may have been attempting to subdue him.

Now, you read my post and responded, but it is funny to me that you left out your occupation?
I fail to see how it's relevant, suffice it to say not police.
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Give me an example where Southern Maryland Police are not abiding by the constitution without some sort of consequences? I doubt you can!

I've never posted anything or said that SOMD cops were not following the constitution without consequences, that I can remember. Most stories I find are from around the country, not locally.

In fact Vrai has a problem with what the cops did when they were shot at by the veteran a couple years back. Myself, I feel they were justified. Guess I better not "hamstring" them.
 

sommpd

New Member
I fail to see how it's relevant, suffice it to say not police.
If you're embarrassed of your profession I understand. I think it's relevant because you are allowed to come on here making broad accusations condemning a profession, but are afraid to put what you do out there so others can examine and post things about the people in your profession.
 

Merlin99

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PREMO Member
If you're embarrassed of your profession I understand. I think it's relevant because you are allowed to come on here making broad accusations condemning a profession, but are afraid to put what you do out there so others can examine and post things about the people in your profession.

Nope, not embarrassed of it just don't see how it could possibly be of interest, but since you seem to want to track something I'll tell you I work for the Navy, repairing various types of radar systems. If you think your going to find a video of a rogue electronics technician, more power to you.:pete:
 

donbarzini

Well-Known Member
Merlin and AK:

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. He's not a bad man; he's just a bad wizard.

But he is right about one thing: The officer in the 1st video and any who supported him should find themselves unemployed for lying.

The other two videos still show no evidence of misconduct whatsoever.
 

sommpd

New Member
Nope, not embarrassed of it just don't see how it could possibly be of interest, but since you seem to want to track something I'll tell you I work for the Navy, repairing various types of radar systems. If you think your going to find a video of a rogue electronics technician, more power to you.:pete:

So let me ask you, when you read that somone who is in the Navy, or who works for the Navy is found to have engaged in some misconduct, do you come on here and talk about what they have done and condemn them the way you condemn law enforcement in general?
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
So let me ask you, when you read that somone who is in the Navy, or who works for the Navy is found to have engaged in some misconduct, do you come on here and talk about what they have done and condemn them the way you condemn law enforcement in general?
Yes
 
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RadioPatrol

Guest
Give me an example where Southern Maryland Police are not abiding by the constitution without some sort of consequences? I doubt you can!

hmm ....

I got passed by another speeding PGPO Monday on the way to work .... Yep I was speeding doing 65, with traffic, in the left center lane, and got passed on the right by a PG roller going faster ..... cars were stacked up in the left lane or he probably would have been there speeding ..... :razz:

Yeah

:blahblah::blahblah:

your right I was breaking the Law ... :blahblah::blahblah:

Funny how Speed Enforcement only takes place @ the Beginning and End of the Month ... and then only by MSP ... on the Beltway ...

although I do see PG on 214 ... running speed traps ....

but I am routinely passed by one or more PGPO on the Beltway Speeding, and they all cannot be going to a call ......... 1/2 hr commute between Oxon Hill and Six Flags ....

:gossip:
 
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RadioPatrol

Guest
So let me ask you, when you read that someone who is in the Navy, or who works for any COMPANY is found to have engaged in some misconduct, do you come on here and talk about what they have done and condemn them the way you condemn law enforcement in general?



If it makes the news ......

rarely do IT Personal make the news, unless they are hack a former Employer ...

and yes, someone engaging in activities like that make it harder for the rest of us IT folks to get our JOBS done, cause everyone gets paranoid ...
 
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