Xaquin44
New Member
and that's the best solution 'infinite mercy' can come up with?
and that's the best solution 'infinite mercy' can come up with?
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
Way to NOT understand how God operates dude. You make it sound like Christians can do whatever they want and God will just forgive them. You really do not understand Him at all. You base the relationship on human works, as all cults do but it isn't like that. True Christians will not do these things continually. Those that do, probably aren't Christians and God will deal with them. What's so hard for you to see in this?
I'll go as far as to say that even Hitler, Saddam or Bin Laden could have been saved by God if they would have renounced their evil ways and followed Jesus. The difference: they chose not to and continued in their evil ways. Two of them to their death and the third one headed there.
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
Adam & Eve were created perfect. The angels were perfect. What happened? Free will choices. They could have lived in perfection forever but they chose not to by sinning. And get this; they only had ONE law to keep and they couldn't!
Where did cancer come from? Sin. People chose to go against God's guidelines for life. Think real hard and you'll see it is really simple.
God said: No other gods before Him - we didn't listen.
Keep marriages pure with sex only within it and stay together for life - we didn't listen.
Don't lie, cheat, steal, covet - we didn't listen.
Don't eat certain foods or engage in certain behaviors (they might cause cancer
- we didn't listen.Don't run after riches, be content with your income, love and raise your children properly, honor your parents....... Still wanna blame God for OUR screwups? Learn more, talk less Xaquin! God will NOT be proven wrong.
Xaquin44
New Member
Adam & Eve were created perfect. The angels were perfect. What happened? Free will choices. They could have lived in perfection forever but they chose not to by sinning. And get this; they only had ONE law to keep and they couldn't!
Where did cancer come from? Sin. People chose to go against God's guidelines for life. Think real hard and you'll see it is really simple.
God said: No other gods before Him - we didn't listen.
Keep marriages pure with sex only within it and stay together for life - we didn't listen.
Don't lie, cheat, steal, covet - we didn't listen.
Don't eat certain foods or engage in certain behaviors (they might cause cancer
Don't run after riches, be content with your income, love and raise your children properly, honor your parents....... Still wanna blame God for OUR screwups? .
yeah .... I had no idea not being content with my income would cause cancer.
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seriously now,
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Not be proven wrong, maybe.
However, if god smote us with cancer because we weren't satisfied with our income, I can successfully prove him a dick.
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
Yes he was and, in some cases, God will accept last minute conversions. This shows God's love for everyone and His desire for them to be saved. The problem is that NO ONE knows if they'll have a "death bed" conversion because no one knows if they'll have a "death bed" right before they die. Many will die instantly or become unconscious before they die. Besides, God knows who will and who won't so He makes sure to give them all their chances before the die so they'll have no excuses when they meet Him.
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
Only you could twist that up so badly.
Xaquin44
New Member
Only you could twist that up so badly.
you cited it as an example, not me.
Xaquin44
New Member
wxtornado
The Other White Meat
Your god already knew I would be an unbeliever, but created me anyway.
wxtornado
The Other White Meat
Adam & Eve were created perfect. The angels were perfect. What happened? Free will choices. They could have lived in perfection forever but they chose not to by sinning. And get this; they only had ONE law to keep and they couldn't!
Where did cancer come from? Sin. People chose to go against God's guidelines for life. Think real hard and you'll see it is really simple.
God said: No other gods before Him - we didn't listen.
Keep marriages pure with sex only within it and stay together for life - we didn't listen.
Don't lie, cheat, steal, covet - we didn't listen.
Don't eat certain foods or engage in certain behaviors (they might cause cancer
Don't run after riches, be content with your income, love and raise your children properly, honor your parents....... Still wanna blame God for OUR screwups? Learn more, talk less Xaquin! God will NOT be proven wrong.
Who created sin?
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
Yes, but you're still alive and can still respond to His call. You can't say He didn't give you many chances to change your mind. He wants everyone to be saved. No one can say that God doesn't care or give everyone the opportunity to follow Him, so people need to stop trying to make it look like it's God's fault that they're headed to hell.
Again, the death of Christ is the ultimate proof of His love. He could have let us all end up in hell but, because of His love, he didn't. He's the creator and He makes the rules. The employee does not tell the employer how things will be if they hire him.
God could have only created people who would believe in Him but He didn't. If He did, we'd all be robotic prisoners and humans are not meant to live this way. He had to offer us the choice to accept or reject Him and then He would allow us to spend eternity with Him because it was our choice not forced upon us. This is why you were made and given many chances to follow Him.
When a woman gets pregnant she knows that her child might grow up to be bad and a trouble maker and he will physically torment her body for 9 months and a host of other things and yet she still wants him. This is love and also why women carry the kids and men don't. God knew all this before hand and made allowances for them. He did the same with you.
That's such an irrelevant statement. He created tobacco, marijuana plants, metal for guns, ingredients for alcoholic drinks, etc. It is all the result of our ability to freely choose. If I have a brown paper bag and a magnifying glass on a hot summer day, is there fire, smoke and harmful gas visible? No, but they had to be created for when the bag burns. Same with sin regardless of who made it. Because of our ability to choose right and wrong, sin had to be introduced. It doesn't make God the bad guy!
Think about the angels too. They saw God face to face and some still rebelled against Him. Sin was inevitable but the most important aspect is that God gave us a way out of it and that is undeniably, LOVE. Look at it for what it is.
wxtornado
The Other White Meat
No, you don't seem to understand. God saw, before I was even born, what choices I would make, including whether or not I would believe in him, according to your worldview anyway.
wxtornado
The Other White Meat
There's that free will thing again!
Oh, I see. God is not the author of existence then?
If God breated everything, then he created the laws that define how existence works. Either he is the ultimate author, or he isn't.
Which is it?
PsyOps
Pixelated
This insinuates that because God created sin, God cannot possibly be good. Sin is part of the nature of what God created. With all things there are there opposites. Without sin there could be no good. One cannot be defined without the other. So you ask, “Why would God create such rules?” I don’t think we have a good answer for that.
Besides, isn't it fair to say that devoid of God, when someone does something wrong it can still be called a sin? Another thing God created is choice; free will. God knew things would be pretty boring if He didn’t give us any choices; don’t you think?
PsyOps
Pixelated
God has free will. He only thought it was fair we did too. He's a fair God.
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PsyOps
Pixelated
PsyOps
Pixelated
Because I saw a big rock falling towards someone and I knew it was going to crush them, does that mean I predetermined it was going to happen? We are able to see and predict things on a very limited level. God is able to infinitely predict things. God has a deeper undestanding of the nature of things and is much better equipped to know the outcome. That does not mean He is predetermining the outcome. Especially our choices.
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redhotmomma
Guest
Let me answer you with this example:
Let's say you & I are longtime friends and I love your 18 year old child a lot and I try to help you out because you don't have a lot of money and are working hard to make ends meet. I buy your kid a nice new car and pay the insurance for him. The kid gives me a hug and thanks me for weeks on end and I'm so glad that I could help you out. The next week you child gets crazy and drives 80mph into a tree and dies. IS IT MY FAULT for buying the car or is it his for living wrong?
There's your answer. God puts everyone on this earth and gives them free will to make choices. He doesn't make everyone rich, good looking, smart or healthy. Some Moms aren't able to bear kids properly so some kids are born handicapped. As with the car scenario, is it God's fault? NO! So stop blaming Him. If He made everyone the same, we wouldn't all be necessary. He allows these things to happen but he does NOT "make them suffer". Bad things happen to good people and vice versa. That's called life and I KNOW you wouldn't want God coming down on you everytime you take a step. Many Mom's have chosen to drink, do drugs or eat very poorly and yet they wonder why their kids are born with problems. Some bear healthy kids but then they fail to raise them properly and they turn out to be criminals or failures in life. Still blaming God here? God gives us everythig we need to live a good life here and also provided a way to get to Heaven. If we don't make it, it isn't His fault. You have NO clue about God and yet speak as if you know it all. You need to learn more and speak less until you know what & whom you are talking about.
I have never claimed to know it all about god. I know that things just happen. It is really sad that a child lost his life. It is sad that a mother has to bury her child on Wednesday. She didn't do anything to deserve this. I will never believe in god! There is nothing anyone can say that can change my mind ever. I have my belief and you have yours.
PsyOps
Pixelated
For those that believe in God (Yahweh), God is in control of these things. He doesn't view death the way we do. A child dying on this earth is painful for us but for God life does not end there. I know you want to ask "why does God make us go through all this pain?" If you believed God is life, not death, then (even though you will miss that child dearly) you know that child is in better hands.
But, this is obviously something you have to believe.