PG County Officer Killer Found Dead in Jail Cell

Mdcopswife

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bohman said:
I understand that there is a difference between police & corrections, but the two are very closely related. And I'd venture to guess that in the eyes of the public, they are one and the same. If a corrections officer does something stupid, it's going to make the police look bad, too.

As some other folks already said, I don't feel too much pity for the deceased criminal, but this is still a very bad thing. It's not going to do good for anybody.
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I agree......there is a difference between the two, but in the publics eye they will only see one.
 
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I am a bit confused as well Kwillia as to what Lenny is trying to say. I always thought the difference between homicide and murder is that murder must have a presence of malice aforethought but that both are clearly defined as the unlawful killing of another human being.

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awpitt

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Homicide is murder. There are varying degrees that are explained in the link. Not sure where Lenny is coming from either.
 
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shiki

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awpitt said:
Homicide is murder. There are varying degrees that are explained in the link. Not sure where Lenny is coming from either.
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murder is homicide, but homicide is not necessarily murder.
 
MMDad

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Lenny said:
Homicide means he was killed. The Coroner did not rule it murder, however. Big difference that many don't understand.
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But doesn't homicide mean someone killed him? That it was not a suicide?

I understand your point about a technician not noticing injuries, especially with an uncooperative prisoner. But wouldn't even a cursory exam include feeling the neck? Wouldn't broken bones in the neck be obvious?
 
Dymphna

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Pandora said:
I am a bit confused as well Kwillia as to what Lenny is trying to say. I always thought the difference between homicide and murder is that murder must have a presence of malice aforethought but that both are clearly defined as the unlawful killing of another human being.

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Killing is self-defence would be an example of a legal homicide...not that I'm saying it applies here. An accident of some sort might be considered homicide without being murder, whether that is illegal or not would depend on the circumstances.
 
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shiki

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MMDad said:
But doesn't homicide mean someone killed him? That it was not a suicide?

I understand your point about a technician not noticing injuries, especially with an uncooperative prisoner. But wouldn't even a cursory exam include feeling the neck? Wouldn't broken bones in the neck be obvious?
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murder is intentional.
 
cattitude

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awpitt said:
Homicide is murder. There are varying degrees that are explained in the link. Not sure where Lenny is coming from either.
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The key is "intent." You can kill someone accidentally...that's not murder..just homicide. Soooo...this guy was being restrained..they didn't mean to kill him..just subdue him..yeah, that's it.
 
Dymphna

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cattitude said:
The key is "intent." You can kill someone accidentally...that's not murder..just homicide. Soooo...this guy was being restrained..they didn't mean to kill him..just subdue him..yeah, that's it.
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No, he tripped and fell on the edge of his cot, hitting his neck. Afterall, he WAS alone in his cell.
 
Lugnut

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Lenny said:
Homicide means he was killed. The Coroner did not rule it murder, however. Big difference that many don't understand.
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Coroners do not decide whether a death is "murder" or not. That's what a trial in court is for.
 
SouthernMdRocks

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MMDad said:
But doesn't homicide mean someone killed him? That it was not a suicide?

I understand your point about a technician not noticing injuries, especially with an uncooperative prisoner. But wouldn't even a cursory exam include feeling the neck? Wouldn't broken bones in the neck be obvious?
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A broken hyoid bone would not always be obvious in a general exam. The hyoid bone is not connected to any other bones. I read an article about someone who broke their hyoid bone in a sport accident. The hyoid is very difficult to break normally and if broken usually does indicate strangulation but in this article, the guy just complained about a sore throat and swallowing difficulties.
 
Ken King

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Of course the family will sue and win, as they should. No one in the law enforcement community had the right to take the inmates life prior to trial. It was not only their job to confine and hold him until trial but to also protect him as well. Another fine example of PG County and the fact that the thugs aren't the only criminals.
 
bohman

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Go G-Men said:
Yeah he is... he or she is a hero...

that is the only thing these thugs understand
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I don't really give a damn what a thug does, or doesn't, understand. What I understand is that people in law enforcement are supposed to hold themselves and their standards of behavior above that of the common thugs that they are controlling.

Again, I should probably make it clear that I don't really feel that bad for the thug/"victim" here, I'm sad that the legal system wasn't allowed to work. Not that it always does, but at least let things play out in court. This whole thing is just wrong.
 
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