pro choice Catholics-what is the point

Beta84

They're out to get us
This girl went 3 months without her period. And then took a preggo, test. STUPID STUPID GIRL. thats just sad.......

1 month, ok. 2nd month, maybe you should check (especially if you're sexually active), 3rd month...moron! Even worse when some people don't realize til after. But missing period AND all the morning sickness and other stuff. There are plenty of signs, right? But if people are sexually active (especially if they're not using protection), maybe they should notice a little earlier than 3 months. :banghead:
 

puggymom

Active Member
1 month, ok. 2nd month, maybe you should check (especially if you're sexually active), 3rd month...moron! Even worse when some people don't realize til after. But missing period AND all the morning sickness and other stuff. There are plenty of signs, right? But if people are sexually active (especially if they're not using protection), maybe they should notice a little earlier than 3 months. :banghead:

Again, not necessarily. I never had any symptoms with my son other than one day of morning sickness---or so I thought. Hubby got sick that night so I could have been sick as well.
I also have a friend who thought she was 6 weeks pregnant when she was actually 18 weeks. She was actively trying to conceive so it was not a big deal but she went in for an ultrasound and was 18 weeks. It is rare but it does happen.

I am not arguing anything with this topic...just trying to clear some things up. And people also need to realize that some woman, like my friend have 40+ day cycles. The 28 day cycle is not as common as people think.
 

libby

New Member
This argument is more a problem with society than anything else. They claim a faith because it's what their parents were and it's what they grew up with. They basically listen to it, but believe in whatever they want. Some of it matches, some of it doesn't. If every single person, at the age of 18, was to sit down and evaluate their belief system and compare it to every single religion, a ton of people would probably swap religions. But they don't, because they're comfortable enough with what they are and it's all they've ever known.

But back to what I said before, not every person fits 100% with any religion. You're basically saying that someone should change their religion because they're pro-choice. That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard of. That shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with religion! That was NOT a founding concept of Catholicism and didn't come about til the 1900's. If someone believes in every single little thing that the Catholic Church believes in, except pro-choice, you think they should find a new religion? What if Catholicism is still the one that works best for them? Stop being silly. Not everyone in your religion is going to believe in exactly what you do. Get over it and leave them be.

That life is sacred from conception til natural death is the doctrine of the CC. I can quote from the Catechism if you would like. For my part, I would like you to cite the document that says the Catholic Church was okay with abortion until "about the 1900's".
As for opinions on issues of concern to the church, there are some that are not opinions at all, and in fact are non-negotiable positions. Abortion is murder insofar as the Catholic Church is concerned, so if one claims Catholicism than they can no more support murder of an unborn as the murder of any other person. This is a defining doctrine of the Church, so someone should absolutely find somewhere else to worship if they cannot submit to the Church on the matter.
Abortion cannot be compared to opinions such as: head coverings at Mass or not, Latin vs. Novus Ordo, what to give up for Lent, Rosary vs. Scripture reading, etc. These latter examples are up to individuals to determine as to what works for their faith life.
 

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

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Can't see those. I'm at work.
it's not viable. Show me a baby that can be born before 5 months and live, and my opinion may change. As of now, they can't even live on machines at that stage

Abortion cannot be compared to opinions such as: head coverings at Mass or not, Latin vs. Novus Ordo, what to give up for Lent, Rosary vs. Scripture reading, etc. These latter examples are up to individuals to determine as to what works for their faith life.

:killingme
And why is that again? Because you said so? :lol: Any opinion can go one way or the other and they can still fit the GENERAL idea of Catholicism. Who are you to decide what opinions can and can't differ?
 

sockgirl77

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Can't see those. I'm at work.
it's not viable. Show me a baby that can be born before 5 months and live, and my opinion may change. As of now, they can't even live on machines at that stage
WHAT IN THE HELL DO YOU KNOW ABOUT PREGNANCY AND BABIES? HERE YOU ####ING GO AGAIN. I SPENT 2 WEEKS IN THE NICU WITH JACOB. I WITNESSED QUITE A FEW 25 WEEKERS LIVE. STFU ABOUT CRAP YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
 

sockgirl77

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theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

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WHAT IN THE HELL DO YOU KNOW ABOUT PREGNANCY AND BABIES? HERE YOU ####ING GO AGAIN. I SPENT 2 WEEKS IN THE NICU WITH JACOB. I WITNESSED QUITE A FEW 25 WEEKERS LIVE. STFU ABOUT CRAP YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

Sweetie.
You don't want to get started.
Also, it's ok that you can't count. :huggy:
6.25 months is not 5 months.
25 weeks is not 5 months.
 

sockgirl77

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Sweetie.
You don't want to get started.
Also, it's ok that you can't count. :huggy:
6.25 months is not 5 months.
25 weeks is not 5 months.

Darling, you are talking to the pregnancy queen of somd. STFU. Fact is, there are plenty of babies that survive at 5 months.

P.S. There are more than 4 weeks to a month. :yay:
 
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Beta84

They're out to get us
Again, not necessarily. I never had any symptoms with my son other than one day of morning sickness---or so I thought. Hubby got sick that night so I could have been sick as well.
I also have a friend who thought she was 6 weeks pregnant when she was actually 18 weeks. She was actively trying to conceive so it was not a big deal but she went in for an ultrasound and was 18 weeks. It is rare but it does happen.

I am not arguing anything with this topic...just trying to clear some things up. And people also need to realize that some woman, like my friend have 40+ day cycles. The 28 day cycle is not as common as people think.
well you are just a weirdo :smile:

That life is sacred from conception til natural death is the doctrine of the CC. I can quote from the Catechism if you would like. For my part, I would like you to cite the document that says the Catholic Church was okay with abortion until "about the 1900's".
As for opinions on issues of concern to the church, there are some that are not opinions at all, and in fact are non-negotiable positions. Abortion is murder insofar as the Catholic Church is concerned, so if one claims Catholicism than they can no more support murder of an unborn as the murder of any other person. This is a defining doctrine of the Church, so someone should absolutely find somewhere else to worship if they cannot submit to the Church on the matter.
Abortion cannot be compared to opinions such as: head coverings at Mass or not, Latin vs. Novus Ordo, what to give up for Lent, Rosary vs. Scripture reading, etc. These latter examples are up to individuals to determine as to what works for their faith life.

hmm just looked up abortion and evidently it's been around much longer than i thought. i was guessing 1800-1900's range but I guess they just had other, stranger methods in the past. nevermind. but everyone feels life is sacred. you're not special.

and would you mind listing all of the "non-negotiable" items for Catholics and, for each of them, make a suggestion for another denomination that agrees with everything except for that one? Thanks!
 

Beta84

They're out to get us
:doh:
Sorry I had to get down to the WEEKS with you.
Months is generalized as 4 weeks each. JFC, lets argue semantics some more :lol:

only problem with that is a chick i knew said "well since each month is 4 weeks, there are actually 10 months to a pregnancy when everyone says there are just 9!!"

talk about a retard. :lmao:
 

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

Well-Known Member
only problem with that is a chick i knew said "well since each month is 4 weeks, there are actually 10 months to a pregnancy when everyone says there are just 9!!"

talk about a retard. :lmao:
I've heard that too :confused: :lol:

Fact is, a baby can survive at 5 months. You really need to stick with the subject you know a damn thing about.

omg.
socki.
go to the "other" forum if you want to biatch about me talking about things I don't know.
If you want a discussion, i'm here.
 

puggymom

Active Member
only problem with that is a chick i knew said "well since each month is 4 weeks, there are actually 10 months to a pregnancy when everyone says there are just 9!!"

talk about a retard. :lmao:

She's half right. 40 weeks = 9 full months. The final day of a due date is the first day of month 10. Again all of this is relative.
 

libby

New Member
Can't see those. I'm at work.
it's not viable. Show me a baby that can be born before 5 months and live, and my opinion may change. As of now, they can't even live on machines at that stage



:killingme
And why is that again? Because you said so? :lol: Any opinion can go one way or the other and they can still fit the GENERAL idea of Catholicism. Who are you to decide what opinions can and can't differ?

I'm not condemning anyone, I began this thread asking. Would you not agree that when a person makes a choice of any kind, they are thereby not choosing something else? Pro choicers are famous for saying, "If you are against abortion, don't have one." In that vein, if someone doesn't agree with what the Catholic Church teaches, they shouldn't be one. It's really not all that hard to understand. And, no, I don't decide.
As an American, do you get to pick and choose which laws you will follow? Do you choose not to pay taxes? Certainly not. Now, the Church is not going to arrest you, or impose a fine, but you get the idea.

On to the 5 month limit you've set. Some years ago a baby could not survive outside the womb if it was born before, let's say, 32 weeks. Advances in medical technology have that down to about 23 weeks now. Will your five month limit change if advances in science and medicine make it possible for an 18 week preborn baby to survive? How many weeks along is your limit?
 

libby

New Member
well you are just a weirdo :smile:



hmm just looked up abortion and evidently it's been around much longer than i thought. i was guessing 1800-1900's range but I guess they just had other, stranger methods in the past. nevermind. but everyone feels life is sacred. you're not special.

and would you mind listing all of the "non-negotiable" items for Catholics and, for each of them, make a suggestion for another denomination that agrees with everything except for that one? Thanks!

I don't even have to make a list. Bible Christianity does not have any "doctrines" per se, except that you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. From that point on you may be sanctified bit by bit, and your opinion may change, or maybe not. You read your Bible and the Holy Spirit will lead you to the right conclusion.
Now, I will say right up front that because I am not a Bible Christian, this might be an incomplete understanding, but in a nutshell, I think it is correct.
 
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