Sentencing Phase for England Set to Begin

[vraiblonde]

How does it cost American lives by treating prisoners like prisoner instead of somebodys ##### at Pelican Bay?

How about treating them like prisoners who have information that could be useful to us?? How should we get that out of them, eh? I assume asking nicely has already been tried. Maybe we just didn't say "pretty please" and offer a cherry on top?

I could care less about pissing them off when a trooper puts a round through some gomers coconut but I do care about stiring up hornets nest uneccesarily by some dipshit REMF's who don't have to face the sharp end.

Because panties on the head certainly pisses them off more than killing them, right? That hornet's nest has BEEN stirred up for a very long time.

those who are sticking their necks out, on OUR side, every day trying to be a good Iraqi cop and Patriot.

They should be doing that for THEMSELVES, not for us. If they're only doing it to satisfy the US military, then we might as well hang it up right now and nuke the place - they're hopeless.

If they're seen as siding with people who fit the characiture of Americans who could care less about how anything looks or seems, it don't help them either.

Great. Now they're a bunch of high schoolers who are afraid they'll be teased if they hang out with the uncool Americans, who just so happened to get rid of their torturing dictator for them.

any 'tard' Iraqi or 'camel jockey' who's lived under a regime of terror their whole life who objects to squat that just may happen to be a cultural thing gets one between the eyes.

What's a "cultural thing"? Dismembering people and stringing their guts over a bridge? Chopping someone's head off and kicking it down the street like a soccer ball?

Why weren't they objecting when Saddam was dragging their daughters off to the rape rooms? Oh, yeah, I forgot - CAUSE HE'D HAVE KILLED THEM!!! So just like good little welfare recipients, they ##### and moan about their liberator instead of their captor. That's some "culture".

 

[Larry Gude]

Omg...

...you said 'they came over here and did 9/11' correct?

The 'they' in this case is a bunch of local yokle Sunni's who had it made under Saddam. There are a few Al Queda mixed in for good measure and yeah, I have no problem believing Saddam helped Al Queda in any way he could get away with but the simple fact is that 'they' really didn't do squat to help 9/11 other than have a common enemy. Hell, there's a lot more evidence that 'they' helped some in the first WTC attack but even that is not proven.

I'm all for wacking out Hussien per the Iraq War Resolution and it ain't got much to do with 9/11. You don't need to make things up to support the war.

This is plenty for me and it's all factual:

http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=2686

THAT'S why we're there, not 9/11.

 

[vraiblonde]

If you wish to believe that there is no connection what so ever between Sadam/Iraq and Al Qaeda, then I won't say another word on the subject.

He doesn't believe that for one minute. He knows damn good and well that 9-11 was at least partially funded by Saddam Hussein. He just doesn't like to admit when he's WRONG.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ha!

How about treating them like prisoners who have information that could be useful to us?? How should we get that out of them, eh? I assume asking nicely has already been tried. Maybe we just didn't say "pretty please" and offer a cherry on top?

Yes! We sic ol' Super Interrogator Girl England, aka 00dumbass, on 'em to pick their brains clean! The CIA was long done with these dipshits. Come on.

Because panties on the head certainly pisses them off more than killing them, right? That hornet's nest has BEEN stirred up for a very long time.

This stuff is prohibited by the rules. We got nothing, ZERO benefit out of this. So fine, say it; screw the rules. Do dumb things.

They should be doing that for THEMSELVES, not for us. If they're only doing it to satisfy the US military, then we might as well hang it up right now and nuke the place - they're hopeless.

You know what, you're so off on this you're gonna say anything, right? These people lived under a police state for 30 years. They got left at the alter by Bush 41 and lost a great many patriots we promised to help, estimates say well over 100,000 were executed. Don't we owe them a bit of help? Can't we help them walk before they gotta run? They ARE taking over more and more of the security jobs every day. They ARE doing it for themselves and they are dying ever day for it.

Great. Now they're a bunch of high schoolers who are afraid they'll be teased if they hang out with the uncool Americans, who just so happened to get rid of their torturing dictator for them.

It would be a lot simpler if you just said we should have never gone in. The fact that we DID do it for them is defacto proof of how much they do need our help. It's gonna take time. We're still in Korea, Germany and Japan BTW.

What's a "cultural thing"? Dismembering people and stringing their guts over a bridge? Chopping someone's head off and kicking it down the street like a soccer ball?

So now I'm required to defend their culture if I happen to point out how it is?

Why weren't they objecting when Saddam was dragging their daughters off to the rape rooms? Oh, yeah, I forgot - CAUSE HE'D HAVE KILLED THEM!!! So just like good little welfare recipients, they ##### and moan about their liberator instead of their captor. That's some "culture"

I think you've made it clear you don't give 2 shits about the Iraqi people and what is going right over there.

 

[Larry Gude]

That's just great...

He doesn't believe that for one minute. He knows damn good and well that 9-11 was at least partially funded by Saddam Hussein. He just doesn't like to admit when he's WRONG.

Y'all been drinking from Howard Deans well?

READ IT:

http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=2686

 

[Larry Gude]

I know you won't read it...

...so here:

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq; Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;

19 specific 'whereas's that fully justify taking action against Iraq and Saddams regime and ONE mention of aid and harbor. Not direct invlovement.

Aid and harbor. Just like a dozen other nations.

We are NOT in Iraq BECASUE of 9/11. It is only one small part of the equation.

 

[vraiblonde]

19 specific 'whereas's that fully justify taking action against Iraq and Saddams regime and ONE mention of aid and harbor. Not direct invlovement.

And if you'd learn to read, you'd have seen that I specifically said "partially funded" by Saddam. Not that Saddam jumped on a plane and ran over there himself, but that he partially funded them.

Huked om Fomiks wurx fer me!

 

[Larry Gude]

If I'd learn to read???

And if you'd learn to read, you'd have seen that I specifically said "partially funded" by Saddam. Not that Saddam jumped on a plane and ran over there himself, but that he partially funded them.

Huked om Fomiks wurx fer me!

This is what it says:

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq; Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;

You may now lead me to the part where it says Iraq 'partially funded'.

 

[Vince]

Larry, I think we can agree to disagree. I'm of a military mind, and it's hard to change.

 

[vraiblonde]

Yes! We sic ol' Super Interrogator Girl England, aka 00dumbass, on 'em to pick their brains clean!

She wasn't an interrogator - merely a guard.

This stuff is prohibited by the rules. We got nothing, ZERO benefit out of this. So fine, say it; screw the rules. Do dumb things.

Since you were just in my office talking about how Al Jazeera was running this crap night and day to rally the troops, I'd say it DID do some good. Pull all the little bastards out of their holes so we can shoot them easier. And if panties ont he head is such a heinous torture to these freaks - a fate WORSE than death - then great! Maybe it will deter some loony from banging with the gang. "Shoo! Them 'Mercans are mean! We don't want to mess with them bad dudes!"

Don't we owe them a bit of help?

We don't "owe" them ####.

Can't we help them walk before they gotta run?

Sure, but not if they're going to talk smack about us.

They ARE taking over more and more of the security jobs every day. They ARE doing it for themselves and they are dying ever day for it.

They should - it's THEIR country. And if they're "dying every day", that's not our fault - that's the fault of the insurgents, terrorists or whatever you want to call them. And I think normal Iraqi citizens DO understand who their enemy is. I don't think YOU understand, but they do.

It would be a lot simpler if you just said we should have never gone in.

If the Pentagon is going to dick around and cry like babies over some terrorist with panties on his head, then you're right - we shouldn't have gone in. Fight the friggin' war or don't even start it.

I think you've made it clear you don't give 2 shits about the Iraqi people and what is going right over there.

And I think YOU'VE made it perfectly clear that you care about the "civil rights" of some terrorist more than you care about freedom for Iraqis.

 

[vraiblonde]

You may now lead me to the part where it says Iraq 'partially funded'.

Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens

 

[Larry Gude]

That's fine...

Larry, I think we can agree to disagree. I'm of a military mind, and it's hard to change.

...at least SOME people can be reasonable!

 

[Larry Gude]

Yeah, so?

Aid and harbor? You said that Iraq partially funded the 9/11 attacks.

The resolution says:

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;

So does Syria. So does Iran. So does Jordan. So does Saudi.

The point is, taken as a whole, 9/11 was only a small and perhaps unnecessary part of the justification for the Iraq War. That they also 'provided aid and harbor' is icing on the cake. It is incorrect to say 'they' came over here and attacked us.

 

[vraiblonde]

Aid and harbor? You said that Iraq partially funded the 9/11 attacks.

Yes. Shall I also define "is" for you as well?

The point is, taken as a whole, 9/11 was only a small and perhaps unnecessary part of the justification for the Iraq War. That they also 'provided aid and harbor' is icing on the cake. It is incorrect to say 'they' came over here and attacked us.

Who gives a crap? Now you're just doing the old bait-and-switch because you're on shaky ground with Lynndie England.

 

[Larry Gude]

Well...

Shall I also define "is" for you as well?

Well, if you don't understand that either, go ahead.

Now you're just doing the old bait-and-switch because you're on shaky ground with Lynndie England

This oughta be good. Go ahead. Was it when I said this:

It's NOT worse, by any stretch than Zaqarwi gutting people on video BUT let's turn this around to make the point of how it affects the battlefield:

Or this:

...and you military types know what level of punishement she probably deserves and it ain't 11 years.

Maybe this?:

Leading some poor smuck around on a leash does us not one bit of good. If we're gonna risk outraging them let's do it by blowing up a moasque full of insurgents and weapons. At least that we can stand by as an appropriate action taken on the enemy.

This?:

The woman testified, at her trial, that she done wrong and knew it.

The only 'bait' around here is that which is on your fishing pole as you cast about for a way out of your making excuses for lowering our standards.

:fishing:

 

[Triggerfish]

The Saudi governemnt funds terrorism more than the Iraqis ever did. Sometimes directly(in the form of bribes not to get attacked) and other times indirectly(such as supporting Wahhabism schools)

 

[Triggerfish]

She wasn't an interrogator - merely a guard.

I never knew it was a guard's job to pose with naked prisoners in humiliating positions.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ha!

The Saudi governemnt funds terrorism more than the Iraqis ever did. Sometimes directlky(in the form of bribes not to get attacked) and other times indirectly(such as supporting Wahhabism schools)

Take THAT!

 

[Larry Gude]

Ha! Ha!

I never knew it was a guard's job to pose with naked prisoners in humiliating positions.

And THAT!!!

 

[Triggerfish]

BTW has anyone mentioned that after the overthrow of the Shah in Iran, U.S. helped build Iraq up to counter Iran? The U.S. helped Saddam Hussein entrench himself more firmly.

As for the Taliban, they were also funded by the U.S. and its allies. After the Soviet invasion U.S. trained and sent supplies to the Mujahideen who many of them went on to form the Taliban.

So the U.S. is at least partially responsible for what has happened in those countries.