Smoking crisis...

[Gwydion]

Now you're engaging in hyperbole, which means you realize you're wrong.

Haha, dear dear Vrai...how can one be wrong when all they are doing is offering more possibilities?

 

[Larry Gude]

Uh...

And then shot down any other assessment of your nite by Smoke Nazi's who feel guilty about supporting a law that will come back to haunt us all and weren't even there and have no reason whatsoever to take issue with my observation other than their guilt ridden consciences.

That's about it.

 

[Xaquin44]

Yet you profess to know more about it than me or Larry, who have actually been there on many occasions.

Interesting.

I've never said anything even close to that.

Please quote where I've said that.

 

[Gwydion]

Yet you profess to know more about it than me or Larry, who have actually been there on many occasions.

Interesting.

Once again...we are just offering other reasons for this solitary event to have taken place. This ONE, SINGLE night that was a slow nite.

Yes, it could have been the ban.

But, it could have been any number of things. And that is all we are trying to point out. I think YOU are up in arms to try and prove the point that it is 100% impossible that any other event could have caused it to be a slow nite.

 

[vraiblonde]

Haha, dear dear Vrai...how can one be wrong when all they are doing is offering more possibilities?

I understand you're feeling defensive. If I'd gone off on a subject I knew nothing about and started making wild claims with nothing to support them, it might make me feel defensive as well.

 

[toppick08]

That's about it.

get back to my Winger Video......

 

[Gwydion]

I understand you're feeling defensive. If I'd gone off on a subject I knew nothing about and started making wild claims with nothing to support them, it might make me feel defensive as well.

I could say the exact same thing to both you and Larry. :shrug:

Defensive isn't the word. Everybody acts like this is war. Its a written conversation.

 

[Larry Gude]

!!!

I just said maybe it was because it was going to rain.

I've never even been to this place.

.

What a novel thought!

It was in Frederick and it was a gorgeous evening. And I have been there dozens and dozens of times over the years. And I go out. A lot. And I observe things. Things like when a bar is about empty and someone tells me business is MUCH better in the bar now that smoking is banned that I kinda say 'huh.'

I guess I left out far too much information to safely being making observations public.

 

[vraiblonde]

I think YOU are up in arms to try and prove the point that it is 100% impossible that any other event could have caused it to be a slow nite.

Again, I am not up in arms. Don't project your excitement on me, please.

Personally, I couldn't care less about bans or lost revenues. It doesn't affect me in the slightest. And I am through arguing with you. You obviously know more about a bar you've never been to than the people who've frequented it over the last 7 or 8 years. I cede to your superiority.

 

[Xaquin44]

What a novel thought!

It was in Frederick and it was a gorgeous evening. And I have been there dozens and dozens of times over the years. And I go out. A lot. And I observe things. Things like when a bar is about empty and someone tells me business is MUCH better in the bar now that smoking is banned that I kinda say 'huh.'

I guess I left out far too much information to safely being making observations public.

I just thought you ment the one around here and suggested that maybe it was because it was supposed to rain.

(I've been to the one in Frederick hehe).

 

[Larry Gude]

You...

I could say the exact same thing to both you and Larry. :shrug:

.

...could also say you know more about Famous Dave's than I do. You could also say that I should consider other factors besides the smoking ban even though you have no way of knowing I didn't already consider that. You could also say that you are a Smoke Nazi who feels guilty about supporting bad laws that will come back to bite us all. You could also say you'd rather make your own assumptions and fill in your own blanks (or make them up if necessary) to suit your own world view.

 

[Gwydion]

Again, I am not up in arms. Don't project your excitement on me, please.

Personally, I couldn't care less about bans or lost revenues. It doesn't affect me in the slightest. And I am through arguing with you. You obviously know more about a bar you've never been to than the people who've frequented it over the last 7 or 8 years. I cede to your superiority.

Haha...Larry just said this bar is in Frederick. If so, then I assume you are talking about the one on Route 40 just on the ouskirts of downtown Frederick. If that is the one in question, I have been there hundreds of times...as I grew up in frederick and worked at the Red Lobster almost directly across the street. So yes, I have been there....I went there almost everyday for lunch for about 4 years of my life. I do know this bar.

But you are right...it doesn't effect you in the slightest. So what difference does it make?


And about projections, perhaps you should take your own words to heart and not "project" your ideas on me either.

 

[Queenofdenile1]

I went to Famous Dave's last night because I started thinking about Vrail brisket.

So, and she'll attest to this, Dave's WAS usually packed back in the days when you could actually light up sans government intervention and possible incarceration. Last night, I got there at 6pm. And, Vrail, I had 1/2 the bar to myself.

So, I'm eating, the baby backs were OK, the brisket SUCKED big time and I'm drinking my beer, looking around, checking out who is winning the electronic bar game and there is maybe 6 people at the bar and three tables filled.

Now, again, I'll let Vrail speak for what it used to be crowd wise, but, I asked Michelle, my pleasant bar keep, how business was since the smoking ban and she looks at me with a straight face and says it is MUCH better; that people who used to sit in the other side would now venture into the bar to watch the big screens and play the games.

The other side seemed pretty normal to me, crowd wise.

It seems pretty clear to me that the ban has got to be hurting business.

And for you psychotic anti's, Dave's has a freaking hermetically sealed bar.

Just an observation.

I went to the one in Waldorf (not sure of any other Famous Dave's) a year ago on Memorial Day Monday for lunch. Smoking was allowed then and there wasn't anyone in the bar area except for us. A few stragglers came in while we were there but still not all tables were full. However, the restaurant was packed full and I think people were waiting for tables. I haven't been back since. I don't think the smoking ban has deterred people from going to eat or drink. Maybe in the beginning but in time people get used to it. Just like anything else in life, you just roll w/the punches cause there isn't anything else you can do.

 

[Larry Gude]

Oh no!

I just thought you ment the one around here and suggested that maybe it was because it was supposed to rain.

(I've been to the one in Frederick hehe).

Was it empty? Was everyone off at home hoarding their last dollar? Did you go in the bar? Was anyone in there??? What day was it? What was the weather?

 

[Gwydion]

...could also say you know more about Famous Dave's than I do. You could also say that I should consider other factors besides the smoking ban even though you have no way of knowing I didn't already consider that. You could also say that you are a Smoke Nazi who feels guilty about supporting bad laws that will come back to bite us all. You could also say you'd rather make your own assumptions and fill in your own blanks (or make them up if necessary) to suit your own world view.

I could.

 

[Xaquin44]

why do you two keep saying 'world view'?

we're just talking about the possible reasons for slightly fewer people in a bar on a monday night.

It makes you seem like you're getting up in arms when you bandy about 'world view' for a small scale specific event that we're only speculating on.

 

[Larry Gude]

Then...

Haha...Larry just said this bar is in Frederick. If so, then I assume you are talking about the one on Route 40 just on the ouskirts of downtown Frederick. If that is the one in question, I have been there hundreds of times...as I grew up in frederick and worked at the Red Lobster almost directly across the street. So yes, I have been there....I went there almost everyday for lunch for about 4 years of my life. I do know this bar.

But you are right...it doesn't effect you in the slightest. So what difference does it make?


And about projections, perhaps you should take your own words to heart and not "project" your ideas on me either.

...you made all of this up KNOWING how busy that place is/used to be every night of the week???

 

[Gwydion]

I went to the one in Waldorf (not sure of any other Famous Dave's) a year ago on Memorial Day Monday for lunch. Smoking was allowed then and there wasn't anyone in the bar area except for us. A few stragglers came in while we were there but still not all tables were full. However, the restaurant was packed full and I think people were waiting for tables. I haven't been back since. I don't think the smoking ban has deterred people from going to eat or drink. Maybe in the beginning but in time people get used to it. Just like anything else in life, you just roll w/the punches cause there isn't anything else you can do.

Nope, your wrong. Its the smoking ban. 100% all of it, the smoking ban.

 

[Larry Gude]

*lol*

for slightly fewer people in a bar on a monday night.
.

The ONLY reason I noticed, the only reason I even commented was because it was a dramatic, noticeable difference!

 

[Xaquin44]

Was it empty? Was everyone off at home hoarding their last dollar? Did you go in the bar? Was anyone in there??? What day was it? What was the weather?

I don't know .... it was years ago.

look, I don't care about smoking one way or another.

all I was saying is that maybe it was slow because of a rainy forcast.

you are trying to infer things from my comments that simply aren't there.