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Kain99
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Sure blame the victims! Come on, Blame the Azzhole who molested the kid for Chryst sake!
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Kain99
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I'm gonna preach!
Do you know why people blame victims?
They blame the victims because it gives them a sense of having control over evil.
"If I'm smart enough and quick enough nothing bad will ever happen to me."
It's a head game.
Do we live in a Big Bad world? Yes!
Do we have to take precautions and be careful? Yes!
Do horrible things happen to completly innocent people? YES!
Does that suck? Yes!
Do you know why people blame victims?
They blame the victims because it gives them a sense of having control over evil.
"If I'm smart enough and quick enough nothing bad will ever happen to me."
It's a head game.
Do we live in a Big Bad world? Yes!
Do we have to take precautions and be careful? Yes!
Do horrible things happen to completly innocent people? YES!
Does that suck? Yes!
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Kain99
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I am saying that when a member of a family is victimized the entire family suffers! So yes, they are victims!
This guy had been supporting their son for years. You contend that they should have seen it coming!
I suggest you get your head out of the sand and wake up!
Aunts Uncles Fathers Mothers... They all molest Bud!
Shall we lock our children in a dugeon until they turn 21?
Caution is required but for God's sake in heaven, put the blame where it belongs.
There have always been these kind of people around. Are there more around today then say 30 years ago- possibly, but then again there are more people in the world as well.
The thing is in this time frame we have access to the knowledge of these types of events a lot more quicker and easier. Also, people are more willing to let the world know when these sickos strike. "Back in the day" it was more or less the victim unwilling to come forward because the "it must of been my fault" syndrome. But it still went on, it was just in hidden in the closet.
But with the all the talk going on about these incidints do we hide inside our homes so we can't get hurt? Or do we allow the contacts knowing that the majority of the people are not out to get us?
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I didn't say he wasn't guilty. I think he's guilty as he!!, but the BOE HAS to follow due process. They removed him from the classroom, denied him access to potential victims but he hasn't been convicted yet, there's been no court hearing to establish guilt or a BOE hearing to establish improper conduct. There is still the presumption of innocent until proven guilty. They cannot actually fire him until the process is followed.
I know, I know, He confessed, but if the boy were 16, which is the age of consent, instead of 15, the teacher could argue that the boy was willing. The boy is not a CURRENT student of the teacher, so he could argue that it wasn't inappropriate contact with a student. He could still argue mental defect, get treatment and return to his job (maybe). If the BOE doesn't at least have their own hearing before firing him and the guy gets off for ANY reason, even a technicality, he can sue for his job back AND back wages.
I'm a parent too, we need to keep these creeps away from our children, but if we don't follow the process, they can get back into the system. There was a teacher in my high school that did just that. A complaint was filed, he stepped down but since no charges were filed and the BOE never had a hearing to fire him, he was allowed to come back after a couple of years. Guess what? he did it again.
Http, because the parents were victims of this teacher, too. They trusted him and he victimized their son.
And disregard my previous post about what kind of kid would hang out with their teacher. My 6th grade teacher was incredibly popular - he used to throw a tent-out in his backyard every year for his class. I was fortunate enough to live right across the street from him and hung out at his house all the time, helping him tend his garden and care for his quail. My 4th grade teacher was great too - she took me to see the Wizard of Oz for the first time. My Mom thought nothing of letting me go, nor should she have.
And disregard my previous post about what kind of kid would hang out with their teacher. My 6th grade teacher was incredibly popular - he used to throw a tent-out in his backyard every year for his class. I was fortunate enough to live right across the street from him and hung out at his house all the time, helping him tend his garden and care for his quail. My 4th grade teacher was great too - she took me to see the Wizard of Oz for the first time. My Mom thought nothing of letting me go, nor should she have.
Originally posted by Kain99
I am saying that when a member of a family is victimized the entire family suffers! So yes, they are victims!
This guy had been supporting their son for years. You contend that they should have seen it coming!
I suggest you get your head out of the sand and wake up!
Aunts Uncles Fathers Mothers... They all molest Bud!
Shall we lock our children in a dugeon until they turn 21?
Caution is required but for God's sake in heaven, put the blame where it belongs.
Ok, lets break this down piece by piece.
"I am saying that when a member of a family is victimized the entire family suffers! So yes, they are victims!"
Wrong, the child is not dead. The CHILD is the victim and that is ALL that counts. FVCK the parents. 9/10 parents today have no clue what their children do in their sparetime and could care less. Hell, 9/10 parents probably don't even know their childrens' middle names! Until the parent has a d!ck stuck in their mouth, the child is the victim.
"This guy had been supporting their son for years. You contend that they should have seen it coming!"
No, I told you earlier that I had no comment. I told you that the "predicament" was "fvcked" all up. And I told you that no, they should not have necessarily seen it coming because they are just as "'sicko'" as the perp in that they let their child get so close to him in the first damn place. The sick leading the sick.
"I suggest you get your head out of the sand and wake up!"
I'll let that slide for now.
"Aunts Uncles Fathers Mothers... They all molest Bud!
Shall we lock our children in a dugeon until they turn 21?"
No, but children who are at home with their parents during their free time are less likely to be raped by sick fvcks than children who are allowed to hang out in their free time with sick fvcks. You do the math. I will admit while I am not a parent, I was a child. And parenting cannot be all that difficult; any idiot can raise a child, and that's the problem with most children today, their parents are idiots.
If you need help, I will outline exactly how my mother (single parent no less) raised and reared me. I was never raped or even approached, and I went to Catholic School even all my life (ok, bad joke, but its true).
"Caution is required but for God's sake in heaven, put the blame where it belongs."
I wholeheartedly agree with you. But there are two ways of dealing with crime, taking out the criminal or taking away the opportunity. There will always be child molesters; it is a mental illness, and the teaching profession promotes the opportunity. So if you know this, why in the hell would you let your children hang around teachers? And I'm not talking about the 70s, I'm talking about now.
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The parents are idiots. There are a few simple rules in life. One of them is to trust no one, especially when it comes to your children. Just because you have a piece of paper that says you have a teaching degree does not make you a godparent. Hell, most elementary school teachers I know from my age group were the school dropouts. I wouldn't even trust them to watch my dog!
Just to play both sides of the fence, I think you can always tell when something's "not right". There are certain people I wouldn't let within arms reach of my kids, no matter how nice and upstanding they are. It's just a creepy feeling you get.
So you're probably right, Http. The parents should probably have had an antenna go up at some point.
So you're probably right, Http. The parents should probably have had an antenna go up at some point.
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Kain99
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You are really angry. So am I.
Is taking away the opportunity feasible? Is it really possible to protect our sons and daughters from all danger?
The teaching profession promotes this? Are you certain that you are hearing yourself? Our children spend all day with these "predators."
Pedophilia does not discriminate. Doctors, Lawyers, Construction Workers etc............. can all be sick!
We are not living in a world where we will be safe If we keep our children away from Teachers and Priests.
My God! How horrible it must be to work in one of these professions and be innocent (which most of them are)
Can you imagine people whispering and pointing fingers...snatching their children to their sides because a "Computer programmer" walks in?
The only thing we can do is trust on a case by case basis. In this case I believe that the years this child spent safely with this teacher was more than enough for the parents to have learned to trust him.
Don't go into a big speech about predators who lay in wait. I already know.
Is taking away the opportunity feasible? Is it really possible to protect our sons and daughters from all danger?
The teaching profession promotes this?
Are you certain that you are hearing yourself? Our children spend all day with these "predators."Pedophilia does not discriminate. Doctors, Lawyers, Construction Workers etc............. can all be sick!
We are not living in a world where we will be safe If we keep our children away from Teachers and Priests.
My God! How horrible it must be to work in one of these professions and be innocent (which most of them are)
Can you imagine people whispering and pointing fingers...snatching their children to their sides because a "Computer programmer" walks in?
The only thing we can do is trust on a case by case basis. In this case I believe that the years this child spent safely with this teacher was more than enough for the parents to have learned to trust him.
Don't go into a big speech about predators who lay in wait. I already know.
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Kain99
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If only they had 666 stamped on their foreheads.
"The teaching profession promotes this? Are you certain that you are hearing yourself?"
To clarify, what I mean is if you are a pedophile, what better place to get a job than with a Board of Education?
"Our children spend all day with these 'predators.'"
Yes, they do. But just as in most facets of life, when the "lights go down in the city" [Journey] (wow, I love that song), is what you have to worry about. In otherwords, as long as they are under supervision, around other people, and getting the job somewhat done educating your child, then sure, predators are probably ok to have your children around during the daylight hours. Its afterhours that is the concern. Personally, even from my office, a downtown lawfirm, I guarantee you I wouldn't want to see 90% of the people that I work with on a daily basis, afterhours.
"Pedophilia does not discriminate. Doctors, Lawyers, Construction Workers etc............. can all be sick!"
And there are precautions put in place increasignly everyday. As far as Doctors/Dentists, as you probably well know, nowadays, most patients are seen by 2 people at a mininum. I believe it is law with OB/GYN. As far as lawyers, a client now has to be offered the option for tape recording. As far as construction workers, I won't touch that one.
"We are not living in a world where we will be safe If we keep our children away from Teachers and Priests.
My God! How horrible it must be to work in one of these professions and be innocent (which most of them are)
Can you imagine people whispering and pointing fingers...snatching their children to their sides because a "Computer programmer" walks in?"
Huh?
"The only thing we can do is trust on a case by case basis. In this case I believe that the years this child spent safely with this teacher was more than enough for the parents to have learned to trust him."
My point is the idiot parents shouldn't have let it get that far in the first place. Obviously they fvcked up, right? Look what happened? Why are you defending them? Their best buddy raped their child, not me...
To clarify, what I mean is if you are a pedophile, what better place to get a job than with a Board of Education?
"Our children spend all day with these 'predators.'"
Yes, they do. But just as in most facets of life, when the "lights go down in the city" [Journey] (wow, I love that song), is what you have to worry about. In otherwords, as long as they are under supervision, around other people, and getting the job somewhat done educating your child, then sure, predators are probably ok to have your children around during the daylight hours. Its afterhours that is the concern. Personally, even from my office, a downtown lawfirm, I guarantee you I wouldn't want to see 90% of the people that I work with on a daily basis, afterhours.
"Pedophilia does not discriminate. Doctors, Lawyers, Construction Workers etc............. can all be sick!"
And there are precautions put in place increasignly everyday. As far as Doctors/Dentists, as you probably well know, nowadays, most patients are seen by 2 people at a mininum. I believe it is law with OB/GYN. As far as lawyers, a client now has to be offered the option for tape recording. As far as construction workers, I won't touch that one.
"We are not living in a world where we will be safe If we keep our children away from Teachers and Priests.
My God! How horrible it must be to work in one of these professions and be innocent (which most of them are)
Can you imagine people whispering and pointing fingers...snatching their children to their sides because a "Computer programmer" walks in?"
Huh?
"The only thing we can do is trust on a case by case basis. In this case I believe that the years this child spent safely with this teacher was more than enough for the parents to have learned to trust him."
My point is the idiot parents shouldn't have let it get that far in the first place. Obviously they fvcked up, right? Look what happened? Why are you defending them? Their best buddy raped their child, not me...
