Suicide

[crenchy]

What in life isn't selfish?

Why do people do nice things for others? Because they make them feel good. If it didn't make them feel good they would stop doing them.

The selfish ones are the ones telling the suicidal that they're selfish. "Please don't kill yourself. Remain here miserable just so i have the satisfaction of an empty shell of a person remaining in this world." You can be altruistic as you please but in the end it all comes back to numero uno and what you think is best for him.

I don't much think it's an effort of control. That just sounds dumb. How is only having 2 options (in their mind) of either die or live miserably having any control?

It's pretty simple. "F this; this all sucks.. death can't be that bad. Even if things return to normal, is life really worth going through this torture to get to the good parts? No, not really."

 

[PrchJrkr]

The difference is that they dealt with their problems instead of ignoring them in favor of a pill.

Wife beatings were prolific back then. I wonder if that was a way of dealing with it.

 

[vraiblonde]

It's pretty simple. "F this; this all sucks.. death can't be that bad. Even if things return to normal, is life really worth going through this torture to get to the good parts? No, not really."

I prefer that people who think this way just go ahead and off themselves and quit talking about it. Some self-absorbed loser who can't see past life's little speedbumps and find joy in living isn't doing it right anyway.

And you know, whenever I hear someone say that their pathetic little problems are "torture", I have this desire to tie them up and jab them with red hot pokers. Maybe start ripping out their fingernails and excising flesh an inch at a time. THAT is torture - some guy ditching you is not. Sitting alone in your house because you're too stupid to go out and make friends isn't torture, either.

Plus think how much better they'd feel once I stopped.

 

[vraiblonde]

Wife beatings were prolific back then. I wonder if that was a way of dealing with it.

Actually, according to statistics, domestic violence is more prevalent today than it ever was.

 

[kwillia]

And you know, whenever I hear someone say that their pathetic little problems are "torture", I have this desire to tie them up and jab them with red hot pokers. Maybe start ripping out their fingernails and excising flesh an inch at a time.

Note to self... contact BTK Task Force to ensure they got the right guy...

 

[K_Jo]

Note to self... contact BTK Task Force to ensure they got the right guy...

 

[dems4me]

Since the true depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain, it follows that it has been a problem all along. There are many ways in which depression manifests itself, and I'm sure there are many tragedies in history related to depression (if we knew about them). I would imagine some depressives resorted to self-medication in the form of alcohol, laudanum, and other drugs that were available back then.

Sorry Vrai -- I have to agree with RR on this one -- some people have a chemical imbalance -- sometimes it appears hereditary, etc... :shrug:

 

[BuddyLee]

Sorry Vrai -- I have to agree with RR on this one -- some people have a chemical imbalance -- sometimes it appears hereditary, etc... :shrug:

Not all.

 

[Christy]

Human biology hasn't changed much in the last 1000 years. But now, all of a sudden, there is such a glut of people that are "clinically depressed" that the drug companies actually advertise their products to them. Wasn't anyone depressed during WWII? How about during the Great Depression? Nobody got depressed during the Civil War? The difference is that they dealt with their problems instead of ignoring them in favor of a pill.

Okay, here's my half baked theory, it comes all from my brain, so take it for what it's worth.

Throughout human existence we've pretty much had simplistic things to think about and ponder and stress over. Food, clothing, shelter, survival.... In this day and age, we don't really have to stress over this sort of stuff on a daily basis, some minds have no idea what to do with itself, the real stress is gone, but we're wired to "worry", sooooo if our brains don't have anything to really worry about and stress over, it creates things to worry and stress over. Some people can rationalize it all and deal with it, some can't. :shrug:

Along the lines of Buddy Lee's "Natural Selection", maybe the depressed worry warts were far superior regarding survival than their genetic counterparts back in the day, who don't worry so much. It was probably the easy going, carefree humans, that got eaten by the bigger carnivores.

How's that for a theory.

 

[Ken King]

Last ditch effort of control or easy way out??

I’ve gotten news that someone I know has taken his life and I’m curious as to what you all think of this.

Sorry to hear about your loss AC/DC.

Of course suicide is the easy way out. It’s for those too afraid to keep living. I bet that at times most of us think life is hard, but we aren’t killing ourselves. Life isn’t roses, but moments of it can be if you work at it; you just have to watch out for the thorns along the way. If you think it is supposed to be fair you might as well quit because it isn’t. Life is tough, a struggle that is worth every precious minute of it. There will always be someone or something that screws it up for you, but getting over that is what living is. And life is all about living, isn’t it? Death is just death and there isn’t anything to that. All those that commit suicide do are select the time and means of their end. That is one extreme means of control if you see it that way.

 

[Ricky Racer]

If someone is terminally ill and in allot of pain, then I say yes.
Other wise , your cheating yourself and others around you.

The only sure thing about life is it's going to change, but if your not around you can't find out and if you already hit bottom, there is only one direction you can go.
The question would be how long do lay on the bottom before you go up or are you going to lay there and feel sorry for yourself ?

Fact is some people are weak and the right thing to do , would be try not to judge them for we have not lived a day in their shoes, we have only observed from our own.

All my condolences to those that this person has left behind

 

[Ricky Racer]

Actually, according to statistics, domestic violence is more prevalent today than it ever was.

Isn't there more people today than there ever was


Not to mention that more woman have figured out how to use the Judaical system to their advantage.
A sure way to get custody of the kids and the house.
It makes me want to

 

[renegadeslave]

Not everyone who is depressed has a chemical imbalance. Sometimes depression comes from having nothing to be happy about.



It was just another story written on the second page
Underneath the Tiger's football score
It said he was only eighteen, a boy about my age
They found him face down on his bedroom floor

There'll be services on Friday at the Lawrence Funeral Home
Then out on Mooresville highway, they'll lay him 'neath a stone...

How do you get that lonely, how do you hurt that bad
To make you make the call, that havin' no life at all
Is better than the life that you had
How do you feel so empty, you want to let it all go
How do you get that lonely... and nobody know

Did his girlfriend break up with him, did he buy or steal that gun?
Did he lose a fight with drugs or alcohol?
Did his Mom and Daddy forget to say I love you son?
Did no one see the writing on the wall?

I'm not blamin' anybody, we all do the best we can
I know hindsight's 20/20, but I still don't understand...

How do you get that lonely, how do you hurt that bad
To make you make the call, that havin' no life at all
Is better than the life that you had
How do you feel so empty, you want to let it all go
How do you get that lonely... and nobody know

It was just another story printed on the second page
Underneath the Tiger's football score...

- How Do You Get That Lonely
Blaine Larson

 

[Kizzy]

True and utter depression includes the element of hopelessness. A depressed person feels that they have all these problems and they feel no hope in ever solving them.

I have heard people mention mental illness several times in this thread. The thing is, a good majority of people are mentally ill to some degree, it is a fact of life. People walk around ½ cocked and loaded (partially or fully), and who knows what will set people off. What buttons any one of us can push that may bring out that demon that lurks inside of another person. It is "believed" by many doctors that 6 out of 10 people have "some" form of mental illness. Kind of scary, isn't it? :shrug: A reason we have a difficult time filing positions within my office. They cannot pass the psychological exam.

The State of Maryland shut down many of their mental institutions long ago, because doctor’s can now prescribe pills. So, now, in today’s society, we take more prescription drugs than ever. Remember Andrea Yates? The women who drowned her 4 children? Well, she was on a combination of prescription drugs that would have driven the most sane person insane. Imagine that? Imagine being on prescribed drugs from a doctor and experiencing horrible side effects? I recently found out that two the prescription drugs (possibly a 3rd ) I was on was causing increased nervousness and anxiety. So, I mentioned to the doctor about it and they gave me ANOTHER prescription for anxiety. Well, staying up for days straight isn’t normal, dropping and gaining weight in mass numbers, isn’t normal, feeling like you cannot breathe, isn’t normal and when you do sleep, waking up crying isn’t normal nor are vivid detailed horrid dreams. So, do I believe prescription drugs are and can be a contributing factor to depression and/or suicide? Dayum straight I do. Read up on Lipitor and Lisinopril and the side effects if you just so happen to be on that medication. I take none of it now.

Now, I will agree that some people are depressed about the pettiest of things, those things that if they buckle up and gain control over the issue, they will make their situation better Some will chose to make those changes, others will choose not to and continually feel depressed. Also, you have some who have and will use suicide as a ploy for attention, time and time again. But then again, you have to take every single threat seriously, because just like the boy who cried wolf, I remember a call where this man sister’s went running to his house, each time their brother made those threats, and the one time they decided not to, he was successful. You can say, well, good riddance, and that is a personal choice, but personally, I like to look at myself in the mirror and know I tried to do something in my power to stop that choice.

My best friend killed herself 5-days after my 16th birthday, over what? Her and her boyfriend broke up after a fight. Very common at that age. They think every problem is the end of the world.

A co-worker of mine, killed himself this past summer, over what? Both of his sons died and he was so consumed in grief, he ended up loosing his job, his financial stability, and then his will to live.

My great-grandfather killed himself, during Easter dinner when my father was a teenager. It was said he was very ill with cancer, and he didn't want his family to be burdened financially with his care.

So just like so many other things in life, with so many variables to consider, I would have to say that it depends whether suicide can be looked at as selfish decision or not. It depends on the situation and person involved.

 

[Kizzy]

Thanks for those that left the karma messages. I do appreciate that.

Like I said, mental illness and suicide is something that I think goes hand and hand to some degree, all though there are so many variables and different reasons. But I thought I'd share a little story of a women who is Schizophrenic.

This Schizophrenic woman goes to the state and gets medical assistance and a small income every month. The Department of Social Services encourages her to get a job, so she does. DSS decides that, because she now has an income, they will reduce her income and they will no longer provide medical assistance. Now, she decides that she is going to cut back on taking her medication, even eliminate nearly all if not all, because now she cannot afford it. At work, she hears voices, sees things that are not there, and they fire her. Now, she is walking around, no medical assistance, no medication, lurking every corner wondering if you are going to kill her. Will she kill herself first, or will she kill you, the one who thinks is after her. :shrug:

Scary world we live in, and trust me when I say, the story is a reality, I am seeing more and more everyday in my job.

 

[Railroad]

Thanks for those that left the karma messages. I do appreciate that.

Like I said, mental illness and suicide is something that I think goes hand and hand to some degree, all though there are so many variables and different reasons. But I thought I'd share a little story of a women who Schizophrenic.

This Schizophrenic woman goes to the state and gets medical assistance and a small income every month. The Department of Social Services encourages her to get a job, so she does. DSS decides that, because she now has an income, they will reduce her income and they will no longer provide medical assistance. Now, she decides that she is going to cut back on taking her medication, even eliminate nearly all if not all, because now she cannot afford it. At work, she hears voices, sees things that are not there, and they fire her. Now, she is walking around, no medical assistance, no medication, lurking every corner wondering if you are going to kill her. Will she kill herself first, or will she kill you, the one who thinks is after her. :shrug:

Scary world we live in, and trust me when I say, the story is a reality, I am seeing more and more everyday in my job.

Yup - we "nuts" kinda fall through the cracks sometimes.

 

[vraiblonde]

Yup - we "nuts" kinda fall through the cracks sometimes.

I PMed you that I thought these drama queens and merely dysfunctional people make a mockery of folks who have a true biological disorder, so I thought I'd say it in the open as well.

 

[Scrappy]

As a taxpayer, I have no problem what-so-ever paying for all the mental medications anyone would ever need. Like you said Kizzy, people walk around like that all the time. It makes me shutter at the thought.

 

[Railroad]

I PMed you that I thought these drama queens and merely dysfunctional people make a mockery of folks who have a true biological disorder, so I thought I'd say it in the open as well.

Thanks! Good on ya!!!

 

[Kizzy]

As a taxpayer, I have no problem what-so-ever paying for all the mental medications anyone would ever need. Like you said Kizzy, people walk around like that all the time. It makes me shutter at the thought.

Oh, one more thing, my client says she loves to get on the Internet, chat in forums, talking to people on yahoo too. I just hope that the state doesn't cut off her meds before she'd show up to a forum gathering, anywhere. BTW, I've read this women's writings and you would never know she has a problem. But, she does think the guy she rents an apartment from buried a body under the wood pile and when he went to see what she was doing, she threatened to knock his block off with a shovel.

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